Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?

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In the news:  Russian governemnt officals it has been revealed have resorted to
indecent liberties in that they as a group body have planted sound recording devices
as well as video recording equipment not just in hotel rooms but in public bathrooms.
The Russian head of security claims that these measures peculiar as it may seem
are there for the utmost safety concerns at a time when international guesting is expected
to be in high volume due to the Olympic games which are hosted by the Russian federation.

But Clarance Kookivitch a well known activist and director of archives at the Center For Sexual Freedom Foundation based out of San Francisco California USA raised clear toned questions ,Clarance asks., just who are those who's those Russians employ to keep watch with wide open ears ? It seems said Clarance such a watch & listening operation will attract
the worst of the worst predator wise on both ends of the operation as it is a well known fact that predators love to take incredible chances and are known to hold political positions or are in ways politically connected or find their way into job positions that put them close to activity they are always in pursuit of and seemingly above reproach. In effect Clarance went on to say it is indeed a two sided coin same on both sides and so the question must be asked,

Who are the whos who are watching the whos who are looking for the whoevers who may be up to no good ?

Clarance Kookivitch referenced the bathroom ordeal in Russia to cops having been planted in public bathrooms in San Faracisco in the 1950's there to arrest homosexuals
on the charges of indecent liberties.

Kookivitch went on to say Putin speaks as though he has a handle on the mordern changing world form the prospective of a man of the world in 1952 who's outlook has never changed and remains ingrained in cold world beliefs and hypocricy.

Brush your teeth with vodka when in Russia says Clarance Kookivitch.
But befor you do says Clarance ask yourself this question:

Who are the who's who are watching those who's who are watching those whoevers
who's doings may be the undoings of whatever those in the Russian government are
doing . We know what they are doing but why do they do it ?



Have yer say in the comments section where there are no cameras !

 Has any one really any idea of just what is really Happening over there first one thing then the other swings one way then swings the other way    im getting Dizzy 

Yes, it.s been heading in the direction of an all out civil war which is something Putin has said he does not want to happen. What the Russian siding rebels are trying to do is keep as much radical action going as possible . They believe they can cause enough terrorism to keep the temporary government thoroughly occupied chassing down the radical resistance.The short term goal is to make it the next thing to impossible to hold elections, and also to spread fear and smear. 

It's almost like a wild fire that firefighters cannot contain.

Expect the next seven days to be rocky roads and even more mind boggeling than has been the last four weeks. 

Day seven will actually be day ten in the count down.

Lets hope Things fizzle out, somehow i dont hink Putin will let Things go, i think also  he is in the driving seat, he has all the gas we need

Odd isn't it how it is the Russian heads of government ,Putin too can say they 
respect the outcome of a revolutionary vote where voter surpression took hold meaning those who oppose avoided the polls out of shear fear. 

It is odd I say because the fact of the matter is the great fear in Russia's power circles is the very thing they claim to be in support of.That being massive public outrage leading to total civil unrest. Putin went so far as to say it himself when he said Russian people are not afraid to die for country. That also means they are not afraid die trying to save it from itself. Putin has also confessed that he fears the internet .
Internet is instant news as it happens in truth. Therefore the internet and propaganda do not mix well at all., hence Putin's fear of the internet.

Grant it in this day to day inflamatory crisis in the Ukraine ,you cannot really give much gravity to the mixture of words coming from heads of government that are waiting and watching to see what happens from one day to the next. So, the watchers on one side say the vote was totally illigitmate /illegal and on the other it says it must be respected as it is the voice of some of the people .And Ukraine's gov says it is terrorism. 

And on the money trail, Russia's gas want's it's money by June 1 or no gas. 

So out of Russia it is said that Ukraine must find resolve or the big solution itself.
But the revolutionaries ,or terrorists dependant upon which side you see from may be out to insure the conflicts or acts of terrorism make it impossible for Ukraine to resolve the problem itself . 

So than what ? Is it possible for it to become impossible for there to be a nation wide vote in the Ukraine ? 
Because if you track the day to day activities in the Ukraine and you watch and wait to see what's going to happen ,do you ask yourself what is it really inside all the madness.

This is where you may see or suspect it may turn into an all out civil war perhaps escalating into a conflict with Russia. Worst case scenario.
On the other hand if Putin is waiting it out until the things in the Ukraine get so bad that something must be done to stop massive killings, it would seem to be a humanitarian effort. To save them from theirselves.

A bit of a streach perhaps ,but when you consider the take over of government buildings and territory by the so called pro Russian resistance to an independant Ukraine and it's impact on the country as a whole, it becomes clear that what it all comes down to is creating total disruption and sustaining that .

Simply put if voters are afraid to to vote ,they don't vote.People are being killed  ,burned ,mutilated. Roving rouge tanks changing hands, helicopters shot down ,all very very ugly. 

Does it come down to the worse it gets the better for Putin ? 
I think the truth is that couldn't be further from the truth as it is .


The latest word out of Russia is they say talks between the United States and Russia are over on this matter, it is time for Ukraine to resolve it's own issues and internal conflicts. I think that couldn't be further from the truth. 

I think everybody is going back to tables to sort it all out for real.

Because the thing about a wild fire is that it spreads far and wide and knows no territorial boundries. And the thing about the virus is that it spreads.

And isn't it spring time again ?

What is over and done with is standoffishness ,which means it is time to get down to some real constructive talking before the very worst case scenario becomes a reality.

Things are not really so good at the Russian front.Not nearly as good as they will have you believe.
The young and dumb are always the young and dumb everywhere in the world. But they do tend to catch on eventually.

I wonder what Putin thinks about smart phones .

Example divide and conquer. Between the vote and the no vote. 
http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/12/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/

 That voting was a load of tosh, many did not bother to become involved with it, only those hard liners went to the polls as they called it and that was against Russia and Putin's recommendation  so should be largely discounted as vailled   

I don't know but I've been told. 
Get a look at this and see what you think.

 Niagra  yes iv seen this before as I do watch RT news and all the rest to, RT news has most days broadcast stuff like this and love to use old big mouth George Galloway a load mouth independent M.P. from here unfortunately     there are many who view the E.U. with scepticism and there are many here that want out of the Union, its said that if we left the E.U. we would lose many jobs and through lost trade etc, that is a load of tosh as many know that is just trying to put the frighteners on the electret to vote to stay in and if we then do we would be under the power of Brussels and looking at how the E.U. is going its lurching towards a Federal Europe and then we would have no say what so ever in our affairs and that is a no,no as far as we are concerned Germany is the big boy now lost the war but still took Europe by stealth and determination, but even they are reeling under immigration issues, Merkel is a strict line Master in that she holds sway over austerity measures of those Countries who look as though they are failing like Greece, Spain, and Ireland etc in Irelands case they have let it be known that they are well into recovery and have paid back its loans and is now looking a little healthy again, Greece and Spain well its well known that they have for years been living well beyond their respective means so they have to tighten up their belts some, Greece in particular has had two bail out and is now looking at a third this cannot continue can it they have to accept that their economy just cannot cope with the way that the Greek people expect its Government to perform they got to start living within their means or go Bankrupt simple mathematics 10 don't go into 5 dose it if you know what I mean like, as for expanding the E.U. many see this as a disaster waiting to happen what with all these former Soviet Eastern block Countries trying to join and Countries like Turkey   well its just getting quite out of hand madness, European Union  should just be that Europe but its far out stretching its self and is under threat of imploding if this continues, the E.U. is a good idea but an idea  that has got way out of control and is getting extremely more and more expensive to maintain, and that's with out the issue of the mass immigration we are now seeing from coming to Europe from the four corners of the Globe, it cannot continue if it dose then I can see the E.U. implode on its self that's why we in Britain well if Scotland leaves us then we in England want to leave and go free trading through out the World like we did in the past and lets not forget those in Europe if they try and block England from trade within Europe would then its self lose a very valuable market over here and all we would do is do business else where as we have all ways done in the past. 

Yes and Turkey too. Thanks for rounding the subject Bev.

Oh ,but it's going to be a long and winding week .

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_UKRAINE_ROAD_MAP?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-05-13-16-08-47

 Well I can accept the Military drills etc  as a norm really well after all even iv been in some scenarios exercising in Germany during the cold war our drills for fighting  the Russians if they broke through etc  so nothing new there is there after all the troops need to know what to do in such situations like or they would all be zombies not knowing what or which way to go etc    but the peace plan written by the Swiss is much more interesting in brining down the Tensions that have risen between East and West and I think both sides need a period to cool of a little as I think things going at to fast a pace, maybe take that time to do some thing with all those idiots on the Ground running around like Rambo's on Heat   once they are put in their place maybe we all can get some were. 

 After reading the above seems Russia and China are getting into bed quite cosy with each other, it was not that long ago when they eyed each other up in very different terms each snarling in each others direction, but now blowing loving kisses at each other is a marriage on the a gender    well if this continues as it is now then those Sanctions thrown Putins way will mean dam all really and all the West will be doing is shooting itself in the foot so to speak as the U.S. has issues now with the both of them Russia and China       as Laurel & Hardy once said AND THIS IS ANOTHER FINE MESS YOU GOT US INTO