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PostSubject: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:31 am

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In the news:  Russian governemnt officals it has been revealed have resorted to
indecent liberties in that they as a group body have planted sound recording devices
as well as video recording equipment not just in hotel rooms but in public bathrooms.
The Russian head of security claims that these measures peculiar as it may seem
are there for the utmost safety concerns at a time when international guesting is expected
to be in high volume due to the Olympic games which are hosted by the Russian federation.

But Clarance Kookivitch a well known activist and director of archives at the Center For Sexual Freedom Foundation based out of San Francisco California USA raised clear toned questions ,Clarance asks., just who are those who's those Russians employ to keep watch with wide open ears ? It seems said Clarance such a watch & listening operation will attract
the worst of the worst predator wise on both ends of the operation as it is a well known fact that predators love to take incredible chances and are known to hold political positions or are in ways politically connected or find their way into job positions that put them close to activity they are always in pursuit of and seemingly above reproach. In effect Clarance went on to say it is indeed a two sided coin same on both sides and so the question must be asked,

Who are the whos who are watching the whos who are looking for the whoevers who may be up to no good ?

Clarance Kookivitch referenced the bathroom ordeal in Russia to cops having been planted in public bathrooms in San Faracisco in the 1950's there to arrest homosexuals
on the charges of indecent liberties.

Kookivitch went on to say Putin speaks as though he has a handle on the mordern changing world form the prospective of a man of the world in 1952 who's outlook has never changed and remains ingrained in cold world beliefs and hypocricy.

Brush your teeth with vodka when in Russia says Clarance Kookivitch.
But befor you do says Clarance ask yourself this question:

Who are the who's who are watching those who's who are watching those whoevers
who's doings may be the undoings of whatever those in the Russian government are
doing . We know what they are doing but why do they do it ?



Have yer say in the comments section where there are no cameras !
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Sat Jul 19, 2014 2:11 am

Could have been a move to force Russia into making it's move, since at the point of escalation there was no response from Putin as the rebel forces were begging for Putin to help them by sending in troops.

Logic will tell us there was no standard radio communication between air flight and ground towers over the Ukraine.

This could also indicate Putin does not have a tight grip over the Russian federation's power circle. On that mark it stands to reason you must look at Russian military advisors on the ground in the Ukraine. 
Because after all it all went down in the Ukraine because of military hardware provided by the Russian federation and utiized under controlled advisement by Russian military advisors on the ground. 

All of this has everything to do with past reports having to do with Putin having gotten in too far too deep too quick.On one hand trying to keep a distance from it and on the other trying to enable Russia with the ability to exercise power over the situation. 

Viewing it from one blind eye on it, with the other out of focus as a political buffer zone.

The surface to air missile launching set up is only part of the whole. Ground to air surveillance equipment set up in operational mode is the other. One part without the other is incomplete and sub standard. However if the ground to air surveillance half of the operation were in full operational mode than all Russian eyes,ears and hands will have been on the launch button. OK, so they sent the rebels the rocket launcher's without the ability to know exactly what it is they were shooting at - 

And so the three monkeys -see no evil, hear no evil and speak no evil are protected because of the half ass supply arms supply line, supplied by the Russian federation. 

And Putin is one of those monkeys in that set of three, on one hand and on the other.

Indecent liberties.
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PostSubject: Formal charges pending    Sun Jul 20, 2014 4:21 pm

Putin may be charge with indecent liberties . However the listing of charges may be endless.

One last chance.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/malaysia-airlines-mh17-crash-russia-victims-ukraine
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:42 am

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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:39 am

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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:45 am

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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:58 pm

cof: Putin really isn't much of a business man ,I think that was pretty much covered. 

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/russian-billionaires-horror-putin-risks-200001106.html


http://www.businessinsider.com/this-is-what-kremlin-panic-looks-like-2014-7

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-plane-crash/russian-news-media-back-putin-offer-different-view-jets-downing-n160796


Lot's of whoopla and opinionation out of the media. Putin is not much of a business man of that there can be no doubt. But he is very good at talking his way in and out of situations such as it is, and tight spots such as it is ,is nothing new to former KGB Putin.

I think Putin will be spending hours on end at the Russian tables searching for a quick fix or what you might call a fix on crutch.Fix on a crutch is a way to buy time. And I think Putin is and will be spending a lot of time on the phone in the next three days.

Panic, political paranoia and all that ,but this thing is what Putin himself said way back in February /March could or would happen. 

It did in fact and clearly it was no mere prediction and so the race is on to find out if were intentional,and if so why so. Putin did not respond with ground forces when the rebels were begging for assistance and now a downed commerical air liner.

There is no question as to where the military hardware came from ,and the plane being too high up in the sky for it be known exactly what kind of an aircraft it is/was ,is not a real valid excuse. 

Gaza/Iran, Seria- oh and on and on.

So , Ukraine the shooting down of a commercial airliner ,isn't that all on the table ? Gee wizz the Indian ocean . Got to think global.

What will Putin do next, thats the big media frenzy nananews headline stuff.
Why you could be made to believe it's all about Putin over there in the Russian federation.

Well, I've got go and check on the springs on me trampoline just in case I need it
to get up into space ,on the count of they don't want to play no more over there in Russia . Build yer own space craft they say.

Nonsense.

Back in the USSR it's all about finding a way to insert a fix on crutch ,get it in place ,,buy some time, get back to the table talks.

To the stupid ones, nobody rises up out of nuclear ash ,nobody ,nowhere on earth.

Did you know the soviets actually made their people believe a nuclear war was winnable ? And some of those stupids still believe it.

Propaganda.

It's beginning to look like those rebels and Putin's cossacks on the ground over there in the Ukraine actually have a PR plan -the inncident does serve to keep global attention or the spot light you might say on the Ukraine. Why one might even think those rebels really don''t like sharing the spot light.

Eh, it's just a thought as it may occure.
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Tue Jul 22, 2014 9:56 pm

Rolling Eyes Well the downing of a civil passenger carrying plane by a ground to air missile has really opened up that can of worms, all eyes are on Russia, and the Pro Russian separatists, for firing off that Missile but did they, the Ukrainians to have this sort of Missile in their weaponry, and are just as capable of using it as the Russians are,the Russians swear it was not them or the separatists that did this, but Radio transcripts between the pro Russian separatists and their commanders go a long way to say yes it was them that did it, that and the Americans saying that they tracked a missile launch at the same time and location of the down planes demise, the cards are stacked heavily against them as being the culprits to this atrocity, then again the Ukraine would gain enormously from this if it could be proved beyond doubt that it was Russia  or Russian involvement, so I would not put it past their mentality to have had some thing them selves to do with this and passing on the blame, thus turning feelings from Europe to be more in tune with that of America  cool1
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:22 am

I might agree but somehow I think it was the pro Russian separatists and those cossacks that done it. 

Actually, Putin's Russia isn't sharing honest information -Intell. with europe or all the western allies and that leads to suspicion direct upon Russia.

I think there are big holes in the direct chain of communication between the Russian advisors on the ground in the Ukraine and Moscow and those holes are buffer zones. 

When the rebels stated they did not know it was a commerical air liner because it was too high in sky to identify it ,that tells us they are supplied with the means to take down air craft but not the means to know what they are shooting at. 

And again the a rocket launching system without the ability to identify a target ,you only have half of a wepons system. That way there is no direct tie to the source which of course is Russia.

However that is just an opinion.

Who are the whos that actually own the problem as a whole is also a matter of dispute.

Putin has his own little war going on with the Russian elites. And he is in fact backed into a corner.

I have good word coming out the alien from outer space observation towers that there is a elitist movement going on in Russia in absolute secret to dethrown Putin ,however it seems according to observation it will be a timely activist movement perhaps leading to a special election. The wall Putin is backed up against is the great divide.
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:14 am

Rolling Eyes It was a drunk Cossack  Shocked  he chucked an empty vodka bottle at his mate who at the time was playing with his new toy he got for his Birthday from Moscow and a card wishing him  Happy Birthday signed by Putin, his new toy being a ground to air Missile launcher sent by accident really it should have been a PS3 Computer game about using a ground to air launcher, well he was drunk himself and trying so hard to follow the instructions, well he got a bleep on the screen and manoeuvred the joy stick to follow it when all a sudden whack he was hit on the back of his head by his mate Cossack joe's  empty vodka bottle which made him hit that red button and whoosh he let one slip, they both admitted they watched that Russian dart streak into the blue before seeing a puff of smoke high up above the clouds, they then realized this was not a computer game no ps3 was ever like this, they both looked blank at each other and said OOP'S and rapidly wrapped up that Birthday gift and sent it back to Russia as fast as they could with a letter stating its Putin's fault not our's   Shocked  Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:52 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Thu Jul 24, 2014 7:04 am

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/23/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/index.html?hpt=hp_t1


It begins to look as though this thing is about to heat up into a international show down. Everybodies backed up against the wall. 
That's the game. 

Who are the who's who ordered whoever to launch the missiles off from those rocket launchers. And where exactly were those whos who done it. If than the launch was launched in Russia than it is they who done it .

Are they than saying this is it ?

Or are the internal struggles in Moscow far worse than we know ?
It is certainly looking like what is happening in Moscow or as a result of the severe lack of unity in Putin's Russia ,what those who;s are doing is just as half hazzard a way as those pro Russian separatists in the Ukraine.

I think Putin's Russia is divided and that is their secret.And a secret that will not remain a secret for very long. 

So, if the grip is weakening than they must appear strong ,but for how long ?
How long can the Putinists hold up the act ?
And how much longer will the Putinist's opposers put up with the foolishness?

The real action may very well be inside the Kremlin where division is taking place.

The spreading of fear is nothing more than temporary. Eventually those who fear will become immune to it.

There is no way to reenforce fear after that.

At that point Putin cannot dodge left or right to create confusion,he will but one choice, and that is to confront straight away.

When all the lies die,only the truth remains.
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Thu Jul 24, 2014 9:05 am

So what your saying is Putin's days in the Kremlin are dwindling as the Kremlins State controlled back stabbers are sharpening their knifes ready for carving the fatted Goose or in Putin's case carving the Daft Duck  Shocked  Can we in the West expect to see a show of Bravado from Putin like a video of him arm wrestling a wild Bull or dressed as a Spetzna  doing a Russian version of Rambo in his epic fight against his enemy within, or will we see this mighty Dwarf of a man slumped in a Moscow subway with a vodka bottle in hand having given up  whistle
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Thu Jul 24, 2014 1:27 pm

Would seem to be a quick resolve ,yer way of looking at it. But I think it will take
time for the thing to boil over. 

The Putinist's stole the election and that is no secret but now they have created a war within the money mongers or Russian the elite. Since that is case the military mongers are most likely divided in opinions too. 

The Russian military is strong when the military is paid.Contrary to what the Putinist's will like to believe the military types are not in it for the glory of Russia and the idea of risk without pay will not go down very well for the Putinist's.  

In order for the Putinist's to carry this out to it's ends the price tag is at all cost which means break the banks and go for bust. 

Even before the break up of the Soviet Union military personnel were going for lenghts of time on little or no pay due to unexplained hold ups . 


Which means the money wasn't there to release to them.

And that I think is where it is all heading.
And I think Putin worries about that and what can and will happen should it spin out of control. 

Again,when all the lies die, all that remains is the truth.
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:43 am

Rolling Eyes And to what ends is the Truth with so many lie's flying around even the Truth would still be a lie, because no one would believe the Truth, so in effect the Truth come's to be buried beneath the lies, and so some believe the lie's are the Truth until it becomes  obvious that they are lies after all, yet still are not really wanting to believe the Truth when its staring them right in the eyes  Shocked  kinda  confusing isn't it  Shocked  I think some of those Separatists are getting a little edgy about Putin and Mother Russia and want to play with that launcher again, and I don't think Mother Russia is very Happy with the way of things with them, and as you said there are some in the Higher Russian Circles with their Hands on the cash who are not that pleased as to how things are going, and are looking a little hard towards a nervous Mr Putin  cool1  cool2
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Fri Jul 25, 2014 1:02 pm

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/article4156155.ece



http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-07-24/u-s-says-russia-firing-artillery-into-ukraine.html


http://news.yahoo.com/evidence-moscow-firing-russia-ukraine-troops-us-181508795.html;_ylt=AwrBJR6UTtFTgHwAHiTQtDMD


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/10988939/Germany-to-spy-on-US-and-UK-intelligence-gathering-for-the-first-time-in-45-years.html





http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/25/opinion/motyl-putin-is-evil/index.html?hpt=hp_t3


http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-28469816


http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2014/07/25/australian-deployment-to-ukraine-imminent.html


http://news.yahoo.com/russian-execs-fear-lasting-damage-plane-crash-103658375.html


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/26/russia-accusing-us-lying-about-moscow-contributing-to-ukraine-turmoil/


http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ukraine-crisis-russia-firing-artillery-at-ukraine-troops-u-s-says-1.2718713


http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/26/opinion/francona-russian-artillery-ukraine-futur


http://news.yahoo.com/grieving-dutch-minister-made-europe-think-russia-sanctions-003553898--sector.html

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/07/26/ukraine-launches-offensive-to-retake-donetsk/13219415/
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Sun Jul 27, 2014 10:12 am

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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:58 pm

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/07/27/russia-ukraine-intelligence-rockets/13239907/


Yes and the alien from outer space observation towers have reported on these matters as noted on the previous page,but for your reading comformation enjoyment here it is.

http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-may-not-be-a-united-front-2014-7
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:14 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:15 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:34 pm

Rolling Eyes 
^^^^^^^^^ Transcript from a bug planted in Putin's meeting above.
Справа господа, кто это сделал, кто пороли эти ракеты, чтобы этих идиотов в Украине

 cool1 Translated means, Right Gentlemen, who did it,who flogged those Missiles to those idiots  cool2
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:58 am

Actually before the picture was taken Putin brought in his own very large plate
and he put it down on the table as smaller plates were passed around the table to each in attendence. 

Putin opened the meeting by saying ,"as yers all know, I have an over abundance 
on my plate ,far too much for any one man or beast to eat, in fact the plate itself has somehow become larger than life. And I must confess not one crumb 
,not one single pea on this plate is part of the grand plan. And as yers will know
,none of it has the right to exist.And certainly not in these modern changing times here at the home front in beloved Russia ,why what would mother say ?

And so all things taken into consideration I have come to the conclusion that the time has come to share the bounty. And so if each of yers will take to yer plates a fair share in a heaping helping ,take to your own and eat it,and after yers eat it as I have been eating since this thing started ,we will than begin talks on how to move forward in unistep ,charting a course to beat it. 

No one of us can possibly eat everything on this ever enlarging plate and although I have become the foremost glutton in all of Russia of late,I cannot and will not eat all of what is there and beyond that whatever else will turn up on that plate .And as yers know our situation is never the same from one minute to the next as a result of the mounting issues that arrive unwanted,unplanned and out of control, it is necessary that each of you eat untill it is all tightly packed under yer belts where it all should have been held in containment to begin with.

Because should yers refuse, yers may well know it is not just my head on the chopping block if and when the food giant comes out of hiding and pulls
off a raging revolt with the force of it's mighty big foot, it is also yer heads that will be dangling off of the ends of those strings that connect us all in soladarity.

Oh ,and do leave room for cake after all matters of resolve have been discussed.

And so without further ado gentelman, chop chop.
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Wed Jul 30, 2014 8:19 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:41 am

Sure in fact she was the surprise guest !

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/land-for-gas-secret-german-deal-could-end-ukraine-crisis-9638764.html




Land for gas: secret German deal could end Ukraine crisis
Source: The Independent

Merkel and Putin negotiate to trade Crimea’s sovereignty for guarantees on energy security and trade 

MARGARETA PAGANO Wednesday 30 July 2014 

Germany and Russia have been working on a secret plan to broker a peaceful solution to end international tensions over the Ukraine. The Independent can reveal that the peace plan, being worked on by both Angela Merkel and Vladimir Putin, hinges on two main ambitions: stabilising the borders of Ukraine and providing the financially troubled country with a strong economic boost, particularly a new energy agreement ensuring security of gas supplies. 

More controversially, if Ms Merkel’s deal were to be acceptable to the Russians, the international community would need to recognise Crimea’s independence and its annexation by Russia, a move that some members of the United Nations might find difficult to stomach. 

Sources close to the secret negotiations claim that the first part of the stabilisation plan requires Russia to withdraw its financial and military support for the various pro-separatist groups operating in eastern Ukraine. As part of any such agreement, the region would be allowed some devolved powers. 

At the same time, the Ukrainian President would agree not to apply to join Nato. In return, President Putin would not seek to block or interfere with the Ukraine’s new trade relations with the European Union under a pact signed a few weeks ago.

Read more: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/land-for-gas-secret-german-deal-could-end-ukraine-crisis-9638764.html 




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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:34 pm

Rolling Eyes At last, a hint of progress, well done Merkel at least one Country Germany has some sort of positive attitude towards an ending of  tensions in Europe and not increasing tensions in Europe  cool2  handing sovereignty of the Crimea over to Russia is a positive move,well after all it was a part of Russia in the first place until it was gifted to the Ukraine when the Ukraine was under the umbrella of the Russian flag, a move incidentally that did not go down well within some area's of the Russian ruling Communist party members and was widely excepted as a mistake which in the course of time has proved correct, that mistake Putin put in motion to correct, the populace of the Crimea is after all majority Russian so what's the problem  Shocked  any way the Ukraine need's gas and other thing's that Russia their Neighbour has in abundance, so it make's perfect sense to be on friendly terms with them for this reason, America should butt out of this for once and some voice's within Europe to also zipp up on this issue, Merkel has got a chance to solve this problem and bring tensions under control to once again let Europe settle down to all's daily living in peace, so what that potential deal  also involves that the Ukraine dose not join Nato I can live with that, I can see Russia's view on this as in their eye's if Ukraine did join Nato that would open the door for America in particular to move troops into bases close to Moscow right on Russia's door step, and put in place weaponry i.e Missiles, Tank's, launchers, men etc, Russia was not happy with Nato being in Germany etc during the cold war, but at least they had a buffer zone with Poland etc between them and us so could live be it uneasy in a kind of peace, but as we have seen since the fall of Communism Russia has seen these buffer Countries rapidly move towards the west which has gone along way to increase Russia's paranoia, and who can blame them after what they went through in WW11, Yes we have some sort of answer to this problem with Markel's proposal, its took a Strong Woman to come up with this and show the way for the Men to follow, left to Obama we would be engaging in WW111 by now  cool1
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Fri Aug 01, 2014 12:02 am

A source within the Ukrainian defense department claims that Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was accidentally shot down by Ukrainian troops during a military exercise near Donetsk which took place on July 17.
“On July 17 the commanding officer of 156th Anti-Aircraft Regiment was instructed to conduct a training exercise of ground troops stationed near Donetsk, which involved deploying the troops, and carrying out a routine tracking and destroying of targets with the Buk-M1 missile,” the source told RIA Novosti.
Although actual use of the rockets was not intended, they were accidentally fired off when two Sukhoi Su-25 combat aircraft flew parallel with but at a different altitude than the Boeing 777, claims the source. When the three aircraft merged and became a single dot on the missile ‘s radar system, the Buk-M1 automatically chose the larger target, leading to the demise of MH17.
It is worth noting that RIA Novosti is Russian state media, although the veracity of the story is no less credible than YouTube videos uploaded by the Ukrainian government, which have been relied upon by both Kiev and Washington as the main source of evidence for the contention that separatist rebels were responsible for downing the airliner.
In addition, the information correlates with what former AP and Newsweek investigative journalist Robert Parry was told by his intelligence source, which was that the U.S. is in possession of satellite imagery which shows men wearing Ukrainian army uniforms firing the missile system that brought down MH17.
Given that Parry won awards for his work exposing the Iran Contra scandal, one would imagine that he has built up some credible and influential sources over the past few decades.
Kiev has failed to release transcripts from air traffic control communications which were seized by Ukrainian security services immediately after the incident, although pilots on board an Air India Dreamliner which was flying just 90 seconds behind Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 say they heard Ukrainian air traffic control give the order for the doomed plane to change route minutes before MH17 was shot down by a missile.
Russia has presented radar evidence which it claims shows Ukrainian fighter jets in the vicinity of MH17 shortly before it was shot down.
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