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PostSubject: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:31 am

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In the news:  Russian governemnt officals it has been revealed have resorted to
indecent liberties in that they as a group body have planted sound recording devices
as well as video recording equipment not just in hotel rooms but in public bathrooms.
The Russian head of security claims that these measures peculiar as it may seem
are there for the utmost safety concerns at a time when international guesting is expected
to be in high volume due to the Olympic games which are hosted by the Russian federation.

But Clarance Kookivitch a well known activist and director of archives at the Center For Sexual Freedom Foundation based out of San Francisco California USA raised clear toned questions ,Clarance asks., just who are those who's those Russians employ to keep watch with wide open ears ? It seems said Clarance such a watch & listening operation will attract
the worst of the worst predator wise on both ends of the operation as it is a well known fact that predators love to take incredible chances and are known to hold political positions or are in ways politically connected or find their way into job positions that put them close to activity they are always in pursuit of and seemingly above reproach. In effect Clarance went on to say it is indeed a two sided coin same on both sides and so the question must be asked,

Who are the whos who are watching the whos who are looking for the whoevers who may be up to no good ?

Clarance Kookivitch referenced the bathroom ordeal in Russia to cops having been planted in public bathrooms in San Faracisco in the 1950's there to arrest homosexuals
on the charges of indecent liberties.

Kookivitch went on to say Putin speaks as though he has a handle on the mordern changing world form the prospective of a man of the world in 1952 who's outlook has never changed and remains ingrained in cold world beliefs and hypocricy.

Brush your teeth with vodka when in Russia says Clarance Kookivitch.
But befor you do says Clarance ask yourself this question:

Who are the who's who are watching those who's who are watching those whoevers
who's doings may be the undoings of whatever those in the Russian government are
doing . We know what they are doing but why do they do it ?



Have yer say in the comments section where there are no cameras !
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:17 pm

Rolling Eyes Putin is now giving a press interview live from Moscow he says that the ousted prime minister gave up his position to the opposition  following an unconstitutional coup d'état and that the public anger was a protest against Government corruption, Putin says he understands the feeling by the peoples of the Ukraine  but the present group in power now are illegal and that the ousted prime Minister is still the legal leader and prime Minister of the Ukraine, and he asked Putin for Russia's help, putin says the the situation dose not require a Russian Military solution the Russian Troops on the ground at the moment are there to protect ethnic Russians living in the Crimea from possible aggressive acts from Ukraine extremists, it is also reported that the Russian Gas subsidies to the Ukraine will end come April,putin says the use of the Military is a last resort action, he says he see's no future for the deposed president Yanukovych and that the West is Experimenting without knowing the full consequences, he also says that he is not worried if war broke out as they would not be fighting Ukraine.  cool1
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:30 pm

Rolling Eyes There was a minor confrontation at an airbase at Sevastopol as Ukrainian military tried to enter the base to work and were stopped at the gate by armed Russian soldiers and warning shots where fired in the air, heated out burst from both sides ensued and the Russian commander warned that if they advanced further and provoked the situation then they would be shot in the legs, dialog then ensued between the opposing officers and things calmed down Putin says that the Ukraine and Russian Military are Brothers in arms not enemy's, mean while there is a stand of as Numbers of Ukrainian military personal unarmed are out side the air base with Russian Military watching them as an uneasy calm ensues . Basketball
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Wed Mar 05, 2014 6:23 am

It seems the Kremlin is spinning it down or tamping it down by claiming the military presence is strictly about protecting russian speaking peoples across the boarder form harm. Putin says the take over of the Ukraine parliment by force was
a coup, and the protests in the ukraine was all about corruption in government
in effect he is saying there is no more or less corruption since the Ukraine president was run out of the country.

Putin maintains that the ousted president is still legally president and at the sime time Putin says he does't see much of a future for the ousted president. That is spinning it down. He went on to say Russia has no interest in a war with Ukraine.

Putin seems to be making the Ukraine out to be good neighbors and good friends and good long time partners.

What Putin's statements seem to indicate is that russia will defuse the situation it's way devising comparable solutionary political diffinitions of a shared nature between Russia and the Ukraine without outside influence or pressure.

That means it's about demonstrating it's ability to negoiciate on it's own on a scale suitable to standards of the mordern world.

The idea in that is to make Putin come out of this looking like a world leader fully capable of negoiciating -that of being a deal maker -a can do guy. Iran/Seria and no the Ukraine.

That's all about global public relations and boosting Russia's standing at the tables on the world stage.

However high level internal struggles at the Kremlin may be the cause of failure for them,

The internal struggles in Moscow and all of Russia is actually the cause for alarm
I don't see Putin being the trickster in what he says but I don't see Putin having control over their own either. That's what makes this situation explosive.

They won't allow Putin to cave in to pressure from the west ,what they want to do is fix it without outside interfearence and at the same time boosting Putin's standing as a world leader capable of achieving greatness.
However the the putineers have a very different prospective and that has to do with Putin's internal problems and those that put him in. In other words there are divisional and sub divisional odds in the action.

Global public relations in high standings is what Putin and his backers want out of it. The others have other ideas.

Aliens from outer space are watching you.


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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Wed Mar 05, 2014 7:29 am

Rolling Eyes I think it would be best if America and the E.U. stayed back in the back ground and for the New leaders of Ukraine to have direct dialog with Putin and his cronies in Moscow so that some deal and understanding could be arrived at with out further escalations and settle the situation between them, so to get back to some sort of normality, that way there may even be a chance for Moscow to reinstate that gas subsidy that it says they are ending end of the month, and maybe we all can be friends again as we all shake hands with our backs against respective walls if you know what I mean. cool2  cool1
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:24 pm

My guess is that is what Putin is hinting at in a Russian way of hinting.
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Thu Mar 06, 2014 7:29 am

STALEMATE continues Putin seems to be doing what the Russian powers believe is standing it's ground typical of a far stretch. Ongoing is the situation at a stalemate.

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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Thu Mar 06, 2014 8:42 pm

Rolling Eyes Former eastern block Countries want a harder stance with Russia, to many threats to and fro are being handed out  scratch personally im with Germany on this and think an open Dialog with Russia is the way to go  Basketball
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Fri Mar 07, 2014 3:50 am










This was a quick show in the dark. Fast and sudden.

Not so easy and quick in dialog however actions do speak.

The dialog is just as much a touch and go thing.As was said in the film ,we don't know when or if as to return of troops.

Dialog isn't going to actually clarify that in definitive language but after all politics is all about constructive word play or not as Putin recently demonstrated in the tellephone exchange with Germany ! She said Putin seemed rather out of touch with reality. Speaking in nonsensical is simply evasive or a means to delay
any form of constructive dialog untill dialog can be constructed in line with actaul events as those event happenings can be defined .

Otherwise all it can be is political sh-t sticking.

In the global dialog Putin has to seem on the world front as being both fair and firm and for that to happen there has to be much dialog within the kremlin befor dialog can reach out into the open air.

In other words the kremlin has to construct dialog which is no easy task for the hard liners. what those hard liners do know is that constructive dialog has to happen and in line with the rules of business in the global market or partnership.

After all there is a thing called the greed factor and it too is global !


In short Putin has to be prepped for the presentation. They have to show him off as being both fair and firm. For the Russian's firm is easy but fsair is not so easy ,therefore it takes time to prepare !

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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Fri Mar 07, 2014 5:26 am

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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:15 am

cool1 Seems the only thing that Russia wants is to further its Boarders by retaking the Crimea back into the Russian fold as it was before, and trying to legitimize its actions by organising a Crimean referendum which is a for gone result that the majority of the regions ethnic Russian populace will undoubtedly vote in favour of,this course of action has been strongly condemned by all the other East European Country's together with the EU as a whole and the U.S., Economic sanctions now are more of a certainty and travel visa's etc are now restricted except for Putin's  cool2   his is left open  Basketball  Russia at this point is showing no signs of backing down but the door is left open by the west for him to change his mind, I point out that while all this hull a balloo  has been playing out Russia test fired an intercontinental missile  cool2 kind of for the U.S. to take note maybe, looks like the U.S then sent some fighter jets and intends to as they say deploy some 300 U.S. Military  personnel to the Ukraine for joint exercise  cool1 isn't it wonderful that just when things Heat up some they all seem to feel the need to play war games  Basketball  well better games than the real thing  Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:26 am

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Ukraine: US, NATO, EU Want Nuland’s Neo-Nazi Thugs in Power
By Francis A. Boyle and John Robles
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[size=13.33]Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland[/size]
Instead of the Obama Administration trying to sit down with President Putin and negotiate a way out of this in good faith, all the signs are that the Obama Administration is going to try to cement Victoria Nuland’s neo-nazi gang of thugs in Kiev into power, according to US based Professor Francis Boyle. He says the OSCE (The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe), NATO and the EU all support the US/CIA “project” as he called it. Professor Boyle says it is appalling that the EU stated that Nuland’s neo-nazi thugs in Kiev “reflect European values” and that there is an enormous amount of war propaganda and disinformation being put out including by Zbignew Brzezinskiyand his “pet poodle” Madeleine Albright who continue to attempt to demonize irrationally Russia.
This is John Robles, you are listening to an interview with Professor Francis Boyle. He is a Professor in International Law at the University of Illinois College of Law in Champaign in Illinois.

Robles: Hello, Professor Boyle, it is a pleasure to be speaking with you.
Boyle: Thank you very much for having me on again and my best to your listening audience.
Robles: Thank you, sir. I’d like to get your opinion on the human rights situation in Ukraine and your opinion overall on where that situation has headed and where you think it is headed, please?
Boyle: It doesn’t look good at all, John. Instead of the Obama Administration trying to sit down with president Putin and negotiate a way out of this in good faith, all the signs are that the Obama Administration is going to try to quote “cement” unquote, as Nuland put it, their neo-nazi gang of thugs in Kiev into power.
Today already rumors has it that the OSCE (The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe), they seem to be on board with this project. NATO just came out with a statement, they seem to be on board with this project, the EU under Barroso came out with an appalling statement supporting this saying, that Nuland’s neoNazi thugs in Kiev ‘reflect European values’.
It is simply astounding.
You saw Secretary of State John Kerry yesterday on Meeting the Press completely out of control, he does not sound to be rational at all.
He is flying over there to Kiev to cement these neo-nazi thugs in power. UK Foreign Secretary Hague was over there this weekend for the same purpose.
Obviously if people were serious about solving this problem, they would be flying over the Moscow and meeting with president Putin and Foreign Minister Lavrov. Instead they are telling president Putin that he should be negotiating with their gang of neo-nazi thugs in Kiev.
So this notion you are seeing –they are trying to find an off-ramp for Putin, it is absurd that is propaganda.
Again, they are trying to consolidate into power this gang of neo-nazi thugs who launched a coup d’état against the democratically elected government in Ukraine.
Seems pretty clear what is going on and I’m sorry to say that: so far President Putin seems to be restrained, he is just sitting there, in Crimea so far he hasn’t attacked any of the Ukrainian troops that are surrounded.
That is good, let them just sit there, they are not going anywhere. And let’s try to keep this thing managed, short of armed conflict between Russian and Ukrainian troops…
Robles: I’d like just to clarify here. In Crimea all of the troops, you said they are surrounded. No, they are not surrounded. I mean, in Crimea all of these troops – they’ve switched sides, basically. They said they would not recognize or fight for the government that is currently in Kiev because they say it is illegitimate.
Boyle: I’m sorry, I hadn’t seen that come off the wire service yet, and unfortunately so much of the western news media is propaganda like this ultimatum that Russia was supposed to have given to these troops.
Robles: There was no ultimatum.
Boyle: There was none, right. That was a Ukrainian source and despite all this time reporting it the BBC finally had to back up. So, you are correct. There are an enormous amount of war propaganda and disinformation being put out.
Meanwhile yesterday on CNN you had Brzezinskiyand his pet poodle Madeleine Albright in Munichcomparing President Putin to hitler evoking Sudetenland and everything like that.
Robles: How can they do that when they are supporting neo-nazis who are openly calling for the killing of Jews, and the killing of blacks, and the killing of Russians in the streets? How can they compare Putin to hitler? He had to deploy troops to protect the approximately 80% Russian speaking population in Crimea, who these guys were threatening to annihilate and kill?
Boyle: This is all part of the game plan here, John. These spokes people, these experts, we discussed this before, Brzezinskiy is in ex-patriot Pole who hates the Russians with a passion and wants to break up the Russian Federation. But unfortunately he is the top guru in the Democratic Party on Foreign Affairs, he is Obama’s mentor, ran his campaign and everyone in this administration is acceptable to him.
So immediately after Brzezinskiy and Albright invoked Munich and Hitler and Sudetenland all the rest of US news media lock-step just jumped right on.
Robles: Just a reminder,you are listening to an interview with Professor Francis Boyle.
Boyle: So what we are seeing here is an orchestrated, I would say war campaign propaganda, against Russia that I think looks somewhat ominous that they have further steps in mind.
We very well might see these neo-nazi thugs in Kiev invite NATO troops to enter Western Ukraine to allegedly defend them in Kiev and at that point Ukraine at least Western Ukraine will become a de facto member of NATO which has been their objective all along.
So it is an extremely dangerous situation, I think this is being orchestrated, they already have two US warships in the Black Sea, that they pre-positioned before the Olympics and a third one is on its way.
So, it is clear, their attitude is “we stole Kiev and Western Ukraine and we are going to keep it no matter what”.
Robles: I see. So, the Russian population, the Jewish population, all the other nationalities in Ukraine – they no longer have any human rights as long as NATO has an objective.
Boyle: That is correct. Now they are going to impose these IMF conditionalities on them, that even their puppet Yatsenyuk thinks this would be a political kamikaze, he knows it would be suicidal – reduce Ukraine far below what we are seeing going now on in Greece.
Robles: Where do you see this is going?
Boyle: The main objective here is to bring Ukraine into NATO, either de facto or de jure, that has been their long standing objectives certainly and I’m afraid we very will might see NATO troops entering Ukraine, so..or EU troops. Remember, EU has a 5,000 man strike force that they can deploy too.
Robles: NATO are actually calling for a meeting, Poland is invoking Article 4. But Ukraine is not a NATO member.
Boyle: It was called by Lithuania invoking Article 4, but after the meeting the Secretary General Rasmussen came out and lied twice, he said :’We weren’t meeting under Article 4 and no one asked for an Article 4 meeting’.
So the question is why is he lying and what is he hiding and what decisions were made at this NATO meeting? I don’t know, but there are reports that Poland has assembled troops at its border.
So as I said I regret the same we could be seeing either NATO or EU troops entering Western Ukraine and going to Kiev in order to cement power of Nuland’s gang of neo-nazi thugs.
Robles: Very serious question here is the US and NATO – are they ready to provoke a war with Russia in order to station their NATO troops in Ukraine?
Boyle: I don’t know if they are willing to provoke a war with Russia. I don’t think they would go that far. But I do think they would like to take over the Western half of the Ukraine and basically treat it as a de facto member of NATO, integrate into the EU subject it to the IMF. Which are just pretty much all parts of the same package. And then you know let President Putin sit there in Crimea.
We have to see how this develops. But all the sings as I said to add insult to injury Kerry and Nuland and Hague have all told president Putin that he should be negotiating with the neo-nazi thugs in Kiev which is just outrageous. Why should the democratically elected president be negotiating with their gang of thugs?
He should be negotiating directly with Kerry, Hague, EU Foreign Ministers, NATO, whatever.
He should get an airplane to Moscow now to meet with president Putin and to meet forward with Mr. Lavrov, and they are not doing it. They are all going to Ukraine, to Kiev to meet with their thugs.
The transcript of an interview with Professor Francis Boyle, Professor in International Law at the University of Illinois College of Law. 

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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Fri Mar 07, 2014 1:43 pm

Well now Mr. Beaver yer sure have been do'en yer look'en into it  lol! 

I did notice there is no metion in Boyels interview about the most recent McDonalds maneuver and the french fry call of terrior in the sky.

N. Korea and Iran too with the foolishness on the test firing . Tends to make ya wonder somewhat doesn't it ?

Again, I say there is more to this than mets the eye. Boyel's interview somewhat demonstrates something about what is going on in the political sh-t sticking back and fourth. And he takes a shot at the media mongers too.

However never lose site of the fact that those that cannot do-,,,teach  lol! 
They can be right ,wrong or even dead wrong but the excuse always is their opinions/views were based upon the information available to them at the time- hence data collective.


meself I'm off on a little data collecting too  :fheli: 
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Sat Mar 08, 2014 5:44 am

:bmb: Putin has said Russia cannot ignore a call for help form it's Russian brothern in the Ukraine.
That's their reason.

Ignore is the key in the wording.

There is more to this situation as it continues to escalate than meets the eye ,this I believe is the case at hand.

Seeking to find that which does not meet the eye is the task at hand ,one hand and on the other.

Sky opps. is seeking to find all of what is over looked ,brushed aside or what is ruthlessly ignored in effort to establish what is the abstract oppertunist key point to the placement of the key word in Russia's standing to the situation as it is in stalemate.  :fheli: 

It may very well turn out as the cold approch continues to escalate ,that, that which Russia believes it can, has and continues to ignore is what it should not have and shouldn't continue to ignore as it does and has since forever and who knows when.

It's about locating clues. Or the inevitable in a bomblastic mannor becoming unbelievably apparent. That would be about the internal struggles and all of what is and has been forever ignored.

It you don't know or suspect it, than it isn't there to a given way of looking at it over all.

Why are there no signs of what goes on in and within the internal struggles to this end ? Because the KGB did not simply vanish in the haze.

Yes they test fired a sky rocket.
What you call a cold fire.
A sign of a kind-

But why the need for the unnecessary display of power ? Everybody in the world knows that outcome should that ever happen .

Tensions perhaps ?

What can and cannot be ignored and those who decide.
It;s more about what is ignored and why what is shouldn't be for as much of it as there is.

Abuse is another key word in clue collecting.

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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:35 am

:bmb:  Yer might pay particular attention to the ice cut going down the center line by approximation. The cut made in what will appear to be a straight line. Seems cut and dry, split the ice and seperate ,hence sub divide.notice the insigina patch ,sub lab exploration, these are not lab rat although there is nothing that goes unnoticed in scientific exploration.And again you are reminded through science that anything is possible.

Although open to scentific exploration this film video of a killing machine and data collective by every available means.

And in a reminder it is all about what you don't see ,not what you do see.

And it's all about what you know, not what you think you know.

Secrets are all about capabilities.Capabilities are subject to change by design. Along with every new design comes an ever newer design capability. It is a never ending process.

Ok so, you see the idea is to lop off a sizable chunk of the Ukraine and make it it's own. so they doubled down on their bet and holding firm on their wager.
As you will notice the submarine is a elongated egg shape rounded object covered in ice,chain saws are the cutting tools symbolic for the split off, but notice what they are standing on by it's design is actually a slippery slope.

Ok, so-fire and ice.

Like lab rats is another iceologic opinion put out there by Putin.
Like 6:00 P.M. sharp end of.

Seems a bit sociopathic.


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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Sat Mar 08, 2014 8:36 am

you dont need a Deep frezer over there
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:11 am

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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Sun Mar 09, 2014 6:33 am

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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Sun Mar 09, 2014 7:33 am

Ok, so two sides to every coin too is the silent sector which is intuitive.

Hence the three two's .













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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:38 am




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