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PostSubject: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:31 am

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In the news:  Russian governemnt officals it has been revealed have resorted to
indecent liberties in that they as a group body have planted sound recording devices
as well as video recording equipment not just in hotel rooms but in public bathrooms.
The Russian head of security claims that these measures peculiar as it may seem
are there for the utmost safety concerns at a time when international guesting is expected
to be in high volume due to the Olympic games which are hosted by the Russian federation.

But Clarance Kookivitch a well known activist and director of archives at the Center For Sexual Freedom Foundation based out of San Francisco California USA raised clear toned questions ,Clarance asks., just who are those who's those Russians employ to keep watch with wide open ears ? It seems said Clarance such a watch & listening operation will attract
the worst of the worst predator wise on both ends of the operation as it is a well known fact that predators love to take incredible chances and are known to hold political positions or are in ways politically connected or find their way into job positions that put them close to activity they are always in pursuit of and seemingly above reproach. In effect Clarance went on to say it is indeed a two sided coin same on both sides and so the question must be asked,

Who are the whos who are watching the whos who are looking for the whoevers who may be up to no good ?

Clarance Kookivitch referenced the bathroom ordeal in Russia to cops having been planted in public bathrooms in San Faracisco in the 1950's there to arrest homosexuals
on the charges of indecent liberties.

Kookivitch went on to say Putin speaks as though he has a handle on the mordern changing world form the prospective of a man of the world in 1952 who's outlook has never changed and remains ingrained in cold world beliefs and hypocricy.

Brush your teeth with vodka when in Russia says Clarance Kookivitch.
But befor you do says Clarance ask yourself this question:

Who are the who's who are watching those who's who are watching those whoevers
who's doings may be the undoings of whatever those in the Russian government are
doing . We know what they are doing but why do they do it ?



Have yer say in the comments section where there are no cameras !
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:09 pm

Rolling Eyes I would not read to much into that Russian Warship docking  in Cuba  cool2 Ok its a hop skip and jump from the good old U.S.of A But then again how many and how many times has the good old U.S.of A Done the same thing  Shocked  name some were on the whole Globe and you could put money on it as sure fired bet to win that the U.S.A.has made its presence  known   angel  angel3 Sabre rattling  angel  Oh NO how could any one think such a thing  angel  they would say that they were on long planed exercise's or good will visits  angel3  love  so why the Hullabaloo about a Ship of the Russian fleet kinda doing the same  wave as for Obama and whats happening over in the Ukraine old motor mouth warns the Kremlin not to do any thing that would cause further tensions in the Ukraine  Shocked  well things have kinda been happening one after the other over there,its kind of a kaleidoscope of activity, its been reported that Russian Helicopters and transports have been filmed flying over the Crimea and on the ground its been reported that over 2000 ground troops with armoured transports are on the Crimea ground taking over key buildings and air ports,other armed groups have taken over other key areas wearing Russian kit but showing no insignias these have been passed of as local defence force  Basketball  yeah and I bet they all love Vodka on their Naffi   break  Laughing  Russia has a Warship of The coast but says its presence there and the presence of its troops, Helicopters, etc are all legit as it has an long standing agreement for use of land base's in the Crimean area,mean while Yanukovich the deposed Ukrainian says he will not take part in any as he calls it illegal elections as he is still the only legally elected prime minister of the Ukraine and those back in kiev are criminals,he dose call on Russia not to invade tho but then again the leaders in the Crimea have called for Russian Help to protect its citizens from Kiev as those living in the Crimea are predominantly of Russian decent and speak mainly only Russian,and Russia has given assurances that it will protect them so a kind of stand of has formed, Kiev has made it known that it wants the European security Council to get together and hold urgent talks on the crisis and give kiev its backing,,all in all a changing situation as I type from minute to minute a right mess  Shocked  the I.M.F .has informed Kiev not to worry tho over its Financial difficulties as that can and will be sorted out as and when the Hullabaloo has all died down and normality once again returns, then again a warrant has be issued apparently for Yanukovich and his Son for money laundering to the tune of 1.5.billion Euro's  cool1    the muck seems to be getting thicker dosnt it,well the shite has hit that fan and its being spread far and wide lets hope some one has a mop and bucket big enough to clean up all this mess,,more news as it comes in to follow,this load of muck comes to you from Beaver News incorp we chew over most things and give the public all the chippings  Basketball  Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:27 pm

Shocked R.T. Has shown film of kiev intrim Government officials being bullied and slapped around by armed bully boys and it has been reported that they are thinking or wanting to rearm their Nuke capabilities using the Nuke power stations it all ready has which are of Russian manufacture, the Ukraine  tho gets its fuel from Russia but a dirty bomb could be built using the nuke waste, the Ukraine has the expertize the man power and the means to make such a bomb but it seems Obama and others are none to worried as yet over these revelations seems there is much more going on in Kiev than meets the eye so things are being taken at a more care full a pace, just what is going on behind those doors  Shocked  are we all confuse because I am but i'll keep nibbling away at the news reports while supping endless cups of coffee  cof:
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Sat Mar 01, 2014 10:36 pm

Rolling Eyes Russian official making statement says that the Crimea has asked Russia for help to help stabilize the Crimea and to protect the Russian residents of the crimea from  harm seems that gun men from Kiev have attacked key building in the Crimea and these gunmen have been fought of by Crimean counter force many wounded unknown number killed,it was also stated that Kiev owes Russia billions for unpaid gas supplies  cool2  Basketball
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Sun Mar 02, 2014 12:29 am

Rolling Eyes Russia Debate weather to send in a limited number of Troops to stabilize the Crimea,Russian  citizens of the Crimea could be in danger from kiev new administration, Kiev brings forwards Crimean Autonomy  Referendum to 30th March ,,,,putin has final say on sending in any further troops, certain Kiev political circles accused of trying to destabilize the Crimea, Kiev fears the annexation of the Crimean peninsula from the Ukraine  cool1 elite police force Bearcat  disbanded after weeks of coming under attack in the Ukraine, Kiev elections will not be recognized by Russia as legitimate  Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Sun Mar 02, 2014 7:00 am

Rolling Eyes Things are moving rapidly now Russia's upper council has given permission for Putin to act Militarily only now needing Putin to give the word to as Russia see's it to go and protect the lives of Russian speaking people of the Ukraine who see them selfs under threat from Kiev and other radical organisations the authorities of the Crimea have also ask for Russian protection, it has also been reported that in the last two weeks upwards of 140,000  applications for asylum have been made to Russia from the Ukraine, also now some far right neo Nazis are also making noises and the leader of an Islamic organization in the Ukraine has even asked Islamic Terror groups from the Chechen for help and support against Russia  cool2 things are moving one way and another so fast its hard to keep abreast of things, Obama has been reported as making Threats towards Russian intervention promising Russia would regret it if they became involved within the Ukraine, what he means by this is unclear, but from where im standing I can not see how Russia can just stand back and allow the People of the Crimea to face possible threats to their lives and do nothing that sword has now gone from warm to red Hot especially in light of the Ukraine's threat to go against its signing of a none Nuke treaty and go for becoming a Nuke owning  Country once again which the Russians would not stand for on the Boarders, what if those ultra nationalist get their hands on such weapons the potential could be catastrophic and what is Obama saying about that a big fat NOTHING yet shouts his Head of when it comes to Iran  having a chance of obtaining them, double standards is what its being labelled  cool2  well its hard to keep pace with all this seems like iv had news channels on all day things are changing faster than the Euro lotto wheel turning round for the Euro draw pick a number  affraid  Basketball
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:11 am

Thats a load and I'm just about to get my coffee, I'll cross reference with bbc news and look at cnn.

but first me coffee  cof: 
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:33 am










 cof: Heres a bit of an eye opener
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:42 am












 :bmb:  Hello Beaver ! I thought yer might get a bang out of this one !
Just so's yer know we gets da hot news down here in da trenchs,










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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Sun Mar 02, 2014 11:38 am











 cof:  well now we can sure see the biggest portions of the giant picture as we zero in
on those banks and the global economy and we have seen war after war after war after war to no end but,

The over all point here according to Clarance kookivitch is grossly misunderstood. What is clear toned and factually visable is The russian federation's over reaching protetive measures of what it calls it primary over all interests which it believes is it's territorial boundries which in Russian terms includes the Ukraine. What Clarance calls the leaps and bounds. where they are misguided in their efforts to maintian control is what is going within it;s own confines.

What happens when people in mass's become sick and tired of being sick and tired is that they begin losing their fear which leads to protest and than eventually revolt.

This is why protest movements in Russia are view by the power structure as
as a threat to their method of control over the populas. which amounts to KGB style control by fear and force.

Which is to say there is far more brewing than meets the eye.
Clarance Kookivitch director of archives at the Center for Sexual Freedom Fondation based out of San Francisco California USA encourages you to look
down upon the lower areas in that giant picture and see all pawns down there,
Those pawns say's Clarance are real people none of whom are pussy footing around,not at all.

Clarance reminds you that if you fly too high up there with those wax wings given you by those on high, it won't be long befor you forget about all those people down in the lower ends .

The members of the Pussy riot band asked you look beyond the facade and that facade is just what you fly up in with those insidious wax wings that are as it may seem irresistable and is nothing more than a total distraction designed to shift yer focus away from those who have little to nothing, stand to gain nothing ,and simply want a fair chance .

If you lose site of those people on the ground finding little or no time to look at it on the ground as it is, than the people have lost the people and peoples support because  of people having been caught up in political sh-t sticking.

Look at the boarder, on one side you have the Pussy Riot and on the other you have the Ukrainean peoples revolt. That is the common interests between the boradering countries.

Unless you have no time for them.

And so Clarance Kookivitch asks you to ask yourself ,do you have time to stand back and look past the facade to see what it is it is really all about ?To see what is the message the people are trying desperately to get across to the people of the world ? The free world.

Do you really know what time it is ?

What does they, (want be free) as a Ukrainian translates thoughts process's to english in interview mean ?

WE WANT BE FREE
In simple down to earth feet on the ground terms.
Isn't it a natural tendency and a way of life worth fighting for ? I do not believe they are actually asking Obama or Putin directly for help or for listening ears.
Even if they are heard all requests eventually fall to deafness or unresponsiveness.

Sometimes you have to become a bit of bush pilot when you put on those wax wings because if you fly too high too fast ,well, you know how that goes.
The message goes out to people anywhere and everywhere the voice of the people will be heard.

And in Russia it's the Pussy Riot revolt. Again, same message worded somewhat differently but to the very same end.

As we open the global flat map and track world ongoing events and ship movement and troop movements ,in Seria, in the Ukraine, in Iran and N. korea and on and so on and China, freely ,like birds.

Like birds with no time.

Freedom of expression is a basic human right of passage.To surpress that is to prolong human suffering and death and destruction.
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Sun Mar 02, 2014 9:31 pm

Rolling Eyes All I wrote above was taken from reports from R.T.News so that's from a Russian perspective mainly  cool1 the Crimea was gifted to the Ukcraine  when they got their independence from Russia but Russia maintained the right for Navel bases there thus the the presence of Navel ships is law full, the Crimea authorities don't recognise the new Kiev Government they still see the deposed prime minister as the true elected leader and so fear the threats emanating from the new Government towards them so much that they in turn asked Russia for protection which the got as we now see their pressance on the ground, even the Ukrainian  military personnel that were stationed in the Crimea have been reported as going over to the Crimean and supporting them together with the Russian forces against if need be any aggressive acts towards the Crimea from kiev ,Obama has been in talks with Putin by way of phone line and has expressed so to has Cameron that Russia's intervention go's against International law so has asked Putin to stand back and remove his force from the Ukraine soil, namely the Crimea  cool2 mean while Kiev has threatened there could be war with Russia if they don't with draw  Basketball  as has been shown on TV the Troops have been filmed digging in the clock is ticking guns are being cleaned mag's are being filled the gun oil has been past around trench's are now a home from home, will that starting whistle be blown or will this race be cancelled at the 11th hour you tell me as im a little tired watching wall to wall news of each accusing each other for being a liar and each maintaining the other is the aggressor remanisant of children in a school play ground falling out with one another  Shocked the clock is ticking.
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:00 pm

Rolling Eyes Niagra your first video up there we saw our selfs as it happened over here,that second video gave food for thought and was hard hitting spot on from what I could determine, yeah the people just want to be free but there are those that see freedom a threat to their own interests like the sheep hearder with his dogs keeping the sheep in control.  Basketball
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:24 am

I still think there is more to this than meets the eye beaver. I have a hunch there are internal problems about to flare up in Russia some time soon,kind of quick like, that will add to the greater issues at hand. However it is just but a hunch.

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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Mon Mar 03, 2014 4:32 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Mon Mar 03, 2014 5:00 pm

This has to do with some serious internal issues going in in Russian government.
It may seem somewhat insignificant up in the gears of the Russian machinery or it's rule of force, but it is not at all insignificant.

There are wheels turning in force though silent seeming and my suspicion is
this thing is not going to play out very well for Putin because of other far more pressing internal issues within the governing body as a whole.

This is say, I think greater pressure will be applied from within Russia'a own.
It is just but a hunch but I'll tell you what, the news media is having a media frenzy over it and all else on the global flat map, but there is nothing of substance within the content which means it, the mass media cannot project into the reality of what will come about from one day to the next, or as yer say Beaver from one hour to the next or even from minute to minute.

Simply reflect back on the Russian media ,this summer were going to great lengths to show Putin off as a man out and about on natures path doing a little fishing same as the average Russian outdoorsman, you know, doing what real people do ,fishing, hunting ,enjoying the great outdoors.

Why though ,why were they so hard pressed to show Putin off in that way,in ways relatable to the average citizen ?

Well ,one answer is public relations and doing some serious damage control after those elections ,the election many people in Russia believe they stole out from under the voters to get Putin back in there.

I don't think their public relations campaign worked as well as they had hoped on the Russian home front.

And I suspect there are internal issues that the powers that be will find the next thing to impossible to simply brush aside as has been as usual.

Now it may seem as though me suspicions or that of a hunch is running off on a wild run,but so has the situation in the Ukraine hasn't it ? As has only too many situations of recent.

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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:57 pm

Rolling Eyes Niagr you old Alien watcher you  Very Happy  you certainly been going into depth up there in that write up most interesting to put it mildly, yes a lot of what you wrote makes sense may I add to it by saying that now Putin has agreed to a German request for open Dialog over the Ukraine issue  lets see what is said say we,,,, iv noticed that most of the news has kinda died of some what today on the Ukraine the news here seems to be more concentrated  on the Pistorius  Trial in South Africa  Shocked  Oh one bit of info tho that has come through and that is of the Defection of the Ukrainian Navel Command to Russia and that China has given its approval of Putins actions over the Ukraine make of that what you will. cool2 


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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Tue Mar 04, 2014 4:43 am

Yes the defection of Ukrains navel command took place Saturday the same day Ukraines assignment of it top hand-he assumed commmand than on the same day handed it's Navy over to Russia.

China, I haven't caught that one in the news !

However on China's end mixed signals is as per usual.They condemn it on one hand than apporve of it on the other.
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:49 am

cof:  OK, I've got it, in this up to the moment report this is the situation as it is and where it is in stalemate.

Russia has double doged down in it's daring endevor guessing that resistence is futile leaving hope in the wake of the carnage,
thereby running the risk of facing a death defying defeat in a worst case scenario which the ruling powers in Russia see as an impossibility.

However the double jepordy is within the joint connection itself.
There are no simulated odds conceivable therefore it will appear there is no worst case scenairo realisticlly from a grounded view point in the visual scope of Russia's projections.

If it were true there are no under ground rivers ,than they would most likely be right in their projection.

This is to say some things are the next thing to impossible to see.
This is further to say the federation of the Russian powers that be lack the potential to realize what is in it's over all interests in the long run.

Sometimes a left handed clock will face the right side in a problem.
It can under such an imaginary circumstance simply be a matter of cross connecting the variances of one hand to the other thus syncronizing joint coordinating endevors.

Under such conditions imaginary or not it must be taken into consideration as those hands of time reach you, you must also reach it.

It takes both hands and an additional secound helping hand. Call that project reach out.

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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:29 am

Rolling Eyes Im just watching French 24 channel and they report that the Ukraine  says that Russia has told them that they have until 3am G.M.T. to submit and hand over the Crimea to their control or face attack, this how ever is strongly deigned by Russia its self, Russia also say that G.7 has no right to suspend the G.8 summit in Sochi, Russia also says that ethnic Russians living in the Ukraine  have been threatened by Radicals who they say are in charge of and running some towns and villages, they scoff at what they call Threats they say Senator Kerry has made towards them in calling for Sanctions and other means to be aimed in their direction, Putin on the other hand says we are in the Crimea so what are the E.U. and America going to do about it,they seem confident in their actions thus far, the E.U. says that the only none aggressive way they can hit back at Russia is by freezing Russia's assets with in the E.U. and else where and impose Trade embargo etc which would hurt Russia economically, Russia maintains that any economic trade war the E.U. would come out the looser in the long run and seeing as how a third of the gas and oil that's needed in the E.U. and Britain comes by way of a pipe line which runs through the Ukraine from Russia its plain to see their point so the out come is some what uncertain, mean while the stock markets have seen the Rouble plummet, a Russian spokes person says all though the Rouble is at the moment in some difficulty due the uncertainty of the situation it will only be a tempory   situation and the Stock market will right itself accordingly  cool2
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:50 am

Indeed that is double doged down stalemate.

Again directing the point in chart to that of the hidden aspects of Russia'a internal problems that are pushed aside as if insignificant.

The greater internal ongoing struggles.
to the point to fact, the double jepordy is within the joint connection itself, which is the common denominator between the peoples of Russia and the peoples of the Ukraine.

Not pawns but mass's of peoples. There is a severe conflict of interests that is swept aside in all the action and reaction. vodka is no antidote as the Russian powers that be have long since realized.And so it has left off at no antidote and that is the remaining state of affairs meaning no political cure is under consideration.

Again there is more to this than meets the eye ,it is more of a raging under ground river undiscovered that is soon to be realized.

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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:31 am

Rolling Eyes It is well know in the west that Putin was of the old Guard, very much the Comrade, and came to power when those that did very well under the old communist regime did not so well under the fall of Communism, Many of the new Russians who favoured the new openness that unfolded embraced all that it had to offer, and many made good use of this new found freedom to become very rich indeed, then the them and us set in, those that did well and those that did not so well, soon a longing for the old way, the cold war time became nostalgic to the past over old guard of which Putin was a rising star before the fall of communism, the new system gave them a golden chance by way of free elections, and many saw in Putin a charismatic man of the old school, through him it was thought Russia could once again rise from the ashes and he was duly elected, the rest is History and the present is History in the  making, how it will be written from here on is as yet undecided. cool1
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:45 am

I think things are going to get tough, and nobody will be able to do anyhting, apart from blow a lot of hot air
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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Tue Mar 04, 2014 3:25 pm

I think when the kremlin threw down the double dog down bet across the table upping the anti as it were is more than they are truely prepared to chew through their bet. And I suspect considerable bluff in their action.


The Putineers have refused to address the internal issues of it's own on thier home front for far too long and those people of total neglect are sick and tired of being sick and tired of it. That is the majority of the people.

Putin is out on the limb this time big time.The Russian military rule of thumb does not rule the board. The militarists are there to stay but Putin is not.

Again the Russian public ralations campaign which is and was propaganda has failed miserably adding considerably to the sick and tiredness already a massive epidemic throughout the Russian population. Polls conducted support this.

That means the internal problems in Russia are far greater than they know or will care to know.



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PostSubject: Re: Should The Russian government stand to charges of indecent liberties ?   Tue Mar 04, 2014 4:45 pm












Lets look at some old news from 2012 and fast figure into some case scenarios.
For openers ,we know the kremlin takes serious issue with protests and bad publicity reaching far and wide.

What would a million plus figure into. 10,000 is no small number given the publicity . But a 1,000,000 plus would be a world wide media bonanza.

How would the putineers beat that back or whip it down ?
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