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PostSubject: E.U.Migration    Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:36 pm

There has been much said about Migration not only within the E.U. but from else where also, I was watching the Wright program this morning and this issue came up for debate, as from January we stand ready for another influx of migrants  from Bulgaria, not so much skilled labour but Bulgarian unskilled seem the most likely to come in, being in the E.U. is a great idea as far as free movement for those with skills needed by other member states and trade between each other cutting down on Boarder red tape etc, but what no Country needs is mas unskilled  migration as this would only add to the unskilled work force all ready within others Country's which in turn would put a strain on Housing, Benefits, and jobs that each Country have for their own people, this on top of what we now see a seemingly none stop migration of illegal migrants coming from Africa, Asia etc,  many of which have Britain as their prime preferred targeted destination, can this state of affairs continue unabated, we have because of shortage's allowed in some Nursing staff and Doctors etc as we do have a shortage of these workers to keep our Hospitals doing their job these workers came from Spain, Portugal, and Greece, isn't it about time our young and long term unemployed be offered jobs that are on offer that they are fit to do at the minimum rate not below I add to get them of the unemployed list and use to getting up to go to work for a living wage, not let them just claim unemployment Benefits while we let untold numbers of other member states unskilled unemployed to come to these shores take up housing and do those jobs that could be done perfectly well by our own people who bemoan their coming, yet its those who do come here and do those jobs and then pay Tax that  go a long way towards paying the Benefits that our own have become accustom to receiving. Basketball
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PostSubject: Re: E.U.Migration    Thu Dec 05, 2013 11:34 pm

Rolling Eyes Niagra  I read your post on Beavers Den so will reply in this thread E.U.Migration  which is the thread that this discussion should be in.cool2 

As you say a holding area to regulate the flood Wink  regulate to stop saturation of the ground Wink  allow only what is needed into the Country Wink 

Yes you and I both, only our differing ways of saying the same  thing seem to be at cross hairs, the American way of tackling these problems  are way a way different from that of Europe, there is a more pressing need to regulate the inflow of migrants from out side the E.U. as well as regulating the flow of labour that is in danger of saturating the ground of other E.U. Country's because the ground is all ready Saturated by the resident unemployed unskilled labour force so the need for even more is not needed nor wanted as more of the same just bungs up the Housing waiting lists jobs markets and Benefits systems resulting in a over dose of red tape Hysteria  Shocked  America is a very large Country compared to Country's like the UK and Europe as a whole, you have some similar problems on the Mexican Boarder haven't you. But then again America is large enough to absorb a good deal more over flow than we can, and lets face it your Government is not fearful of implementing measures that may be needed as and when, unlike our wimpy lot who don't know what day of the week it is never mind doing what is required for the Benefit of its peoples, we all ready have labour pools and talk of quota's on numbers allowed to travel for economic reasons they just got to be implemented better as there is a growing discontent forming not only here in Britain but in Europe as a whole so needs addressing soon as if not sooner, i.e. the ground is over Saturated as it is, so a period of drying out is required if not then those flood defences will not hold for ever, then if  nothing is done to alleviate the problem those  defences will come a tumbling down and as your Hurricane Katrina  did to America's South the levees flooded and failed, to swamp the coastal City's which brought devastation  to the land, the effects still to this day felt.  Basketball
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PostSubject: Re: E.U.Migration    Fri Dec 06, 2013 5:42 am

Another excellent topic -

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PostSubject: Re: E.U.Migration    Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:26 am

 I think emigration in the EU has to be curbed, we are getting over populated. Many Muslims living in the EU have had good success with Work, and good luck to them there. Asians, Muslims, Serbs  send Money out of the country instead of using or investing in the country they live in. If we cannot look after our own, then we certainly cant look after others.  If we have a referendum on the EU and we pull out wont we lose the wrong people, and how will we decide WHO stays and WHO goes, all Europeans that live in another European country for more than 12 years, can no longer vote in their own country, should they be the first to go, or should it be non Europeans WHO haven’t lived in England for than 12 years. Are we too relaxed in our Laws? Should we be like France and ban Burkas, personally i think they should, i think English should be the first language in our schools, and then European languages, any other languages wishing to be learnt, let them pay privately for it. First and foremost, England is for England if people don’t want to learn our language, and don’t want to integrate, shouldn’t they be the first to go?
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PostSubject: Re: E.U.Migration    Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:30 am

cof:  But the problem carries over into the political fact that there is really no fix in place. Cutting back on bennifits is just way of making it seem as though something is in the works to curb expenditures of the national budget. Whereas in fact those measures will cost more in the long run-but the party in power will not be in power what the bill come in. That is how it works and what is known as passing the buck.

A fix on crutch isn't really a fix at all ,all it is ,is something what seems to be a corrective measure in the short term. The objective is fer the fix on a crutch to hold up long enough fer the party in power to exit out thereby passing not just the existing problem but all problems that develope as a result of a faulty fix on crutch.

The worst case scenerio has happened and hiding it from public awareness isn't working. If I'm reading about it over here acrossed the pond than it can't be working. And passing the problem off to the other party isn't going work either because time ran out and the cat's out of the bag. That equals nowhere to run, hide or squat fer those in power.What will they do ? They would like to do nothing other than pass the problems on but that isn't going to be possible because quashing out the issues at hand isn't going to happen this time which means the inevitable is also apparent. They cannot squat out of that. It's a hard fact me thinks.

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PostSubject: Re: E.U.Migration    Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:31 am

Rolling Eyes  Stumpy if some  one applies to come to live with in the E.U. including the UK by the proper means and is excepted by the host Country, and if that person has a talent to bring with them that would be of Benefit to the Country being seen as a bonus,then it dose not really  Matter what that persons faith is or Colour is as long as that person is not going to become a threat, i.e, Terrorist connections, or has Criminal convictions against them, then their imput to the good of the Host Country is welcomed, but saying that there is as been said a need to be put in place to regulate the numbers arriving on our shores and a need to know just who we are letting come here and else where within the E.U. cool2
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PostSubject: Re: E.U.Migration    Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:41 am

Rolling Eyes Niagra  the cat has been out the bag long ago, its our wonderful puffed up baffoons that frequent Westminster and Brussels that have got it in their wool filled tiny Heads that they can carry on passing said buck for ever more, Well as its said the buck has to stop some where, and as you say Niagra  they got no where now to pass that buck on to, so are we at last going to see happen like what every one expects them to do, and that is the job's they were elected to do and start addressing this ridicules  situation and bring some kind of order to this situation that has now getting well out of hand.Basketball
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PostSubject: Re: E.U.Migration    Sun Dec 08, 2013 10:46 am

The Government knows there isn't enough jobs or housing, that fact is enough for the U.K to come out of the E.U.

Cameron knows that any new migrants are going to be straight for the benefits, that's why he's tightening up the benefits for migrants.

We should come out of the E.U and have tougher legislations for those who want to emigrate to here e.g

1. Have a relative to stay with.
2. Have enough money to live on.
3. Have a job to come to.
4. Know the history, and the U.K laws.
5. Be able to speak English.
6. Anyone with a criminal record are refused to enter the U.K.
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PostSubject: Re: E.U.Migration    Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:32 am

Rolling Eyes Other Country's  in the E.U. and out side the E.U. have far more stringent immigration laws than we do, so its about time we caught up with the rest of them and start tightening up our boarders a little or people will start showing their frustrations on the streets before to long, I saw on the News this has all ready happened in Germany with the far right protesting against the setting up of immigration's centres over there, this well could spill out right across Europe if they don't get a grip on things, like now, not promises for the future that never happen.Basketball
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PostSubject: Re: E.U.Migration    Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:40 am

The town I live in - where there's not even a real fish and chip shop - I feel the "outsider".  The moslems/Asians run the council -
not for them - the parking ticket (gone for prayer) not for them the bedroom tax - "its a prayer room" - in a difference white british/Asian - the british man will be arrested.
.....and if THAT isn't enough - the main language seems to be polish. Deference seems to me to ALWAYS favour the real outsiders - I guess they can't be offended in any way!!!!!

I'm the only white british woman in my road -

seems to me - it'd be better to spread them out - but I think its TOO late.

If this makes me a racist - so be it.

Having lost many of my male ancestors to war in keeping this country free -
it seems to me they were cheated out of their lives.
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PostSubject: Re: E.U.Migration    Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:37 pm

Rolling Eyes Mrs P its rapidly becoming like you have described were you live here were I am, this City is a far cry from the Beautiful City that I grew up in and has now become a less friendly place than it use to be, and we all know were the blame for that is don't we, squarely at Westminster's  Archway doors and the Over paid soon to be even more over paid Buffoons that call them self's our Government, and I don't pick out any particular party for this state of affairs as they are all as Guilty as each other for failing its peoples. Why didn't they right in the beginning make it a policy  to only admit those that the Country  needs  trade wise, and keep strict immigration laws like Australia  did and else were, as for Asylum seekers in times of conflict, sure make special provision for these people, but when conflict ends resettle them back in their lands, but no as we have repeatedly seen once here that's it they stay put for the most part, these Asylum laws are well exploited and our Government lets them even to the point were by there seems to be separate laws that apply to them as against the laws  of the land that apply to the rest of us, yes totally wrong and its crazy carry on's like this that is only storing up a lot of Trouble for the future you mark my  words, rumbles of this are happening even now. Our being a part of the E.U. also brings its problems as well as Benefits, as Boarders come down between E.U. Member Country's  we see vast movements of peoples across Europe  causing  a lot of problems for some E.U. Country's and illegal Migrants are taking advantage of these movements  of peoples to hide their movements also, making people trafficking a lot less risky for them to operate. Basketball
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PostSubject: Re: E.U.Migration    Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:44 pm

I agree with LG. one of my neighbours who is a somalien and has six kids and gets £350 child allowance for each kid every 3 months, his intake on a monthly basis on social security is £1200 a month  he has a nice car, and he has never worked in 20 years, something is wrong somewhere. Im sure Theres similier cases all over Europe. Im not a racialist, but we do have to start looking after our own first, goverments talk about whats right, sadly they have gotten another 11% payrise and so many people are struggling,
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PostSubject: Re: E.U.Migration    Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:21 am

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PostSubject: Re: E.U.Migration    Sun Jan 12, 2014 3:29 pm

Beaver. I don’t know one Somalien that works in the town where i live. The Danish law is strict, if you dont speak their language you don’t work, I understand what you say about skills coming over, but that’s not what i mean. I would rather lose Muslims than Europeans. (my personal choice) Many Europeans live and work all over Europe, In England we have many good Nurses that are not English. Some come over for the education, and love England so much and stay. My Kiro Practor took her education in England, she worked as a care assistant for 5 years whilst studying. A Danish girl I know, studied in England to be a Nurse, met a Belgian IT expert working in London, she is now a nurse at Guys hospital, and there getting married, be a shame to lose people like this if we come out of the EU. Don’t get me wrong I think we should come out, but it would be sad to lose those that do have skills and can speak our language
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PostSubject: Re: E.U.Migration    Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:02 pm

Rolling Eyes Stumpy iv no qualm in people coming over here to study at our Universities and Training Collages actually Foreign students coming here for Education in our Universities is a source of income for those Universities and Collages and if they want to stay here they are more than welcome to apply through the right channels for that right to do so, and it don't matter what colour you are nor what Faith you are as long as your not deemed a threat to the Country, be it Criminal, Terrorist, Political or any other, if you possess skills this Country requires then welcome if not then sorry but we all ready have enough of our own none skilled workers to find jobs and Housing for  as for for war refugees entering the Country or even the E.U. for that matter, I still maintain that they be given refuge in the next Country nearest to their own not half way around the World with in many cases no wish for ever returning back to their own Country when the war ends, that is just a backdoor entry to a Country that needs closing, Now if they are of sound means and want to retire in another Country ours to, and wish to buy property to live in etc then they can apply for residence within which ever Country they wish to live and take it from there as our own people do when moving to Spain etc.  cool2
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PostSubject: Re: E.U.Migration    Tue Jan 14, 2014 5:29 am

and not only that the U.K is becoming over populated in many areas.

I don't know if I heard right...but I thought I heard on the news earlier today that the new migrants will not be able to any claim benefits unless they have been here for 2yrs living and working...so what happens if they can't find work, go back home? or will it be a repeat of when the Kosivans came over and were begging on the streets as well as claiming benefits??

But in saying that, I know 2 Romanions who have lived in the U.K since the late 90s, both were skilled workers and hard workers too.
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PostSubject: Re: E.U.Migration    Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:08 am

Rolling Eyes If they have the skills that this Country requires and they have a job and pay their Tax's and of course have entered this Country by legal means then Welcome to Britain, if not and only wish to take advantage of a good thing at the Tax payers expense then BY,BY  wave the Exit is that away East of Dover then any which way when in France except West back across the Channel to Dover. cool1
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PostSubject: Re: E.U.Migration    Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:04 am

Just send them home via their own Embassy and let them foot the bill, thats what they would do to us
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PostSubject: Re: E.U.Migration    Fri Jan 17, 2014 10:06 pm

Another sex gang been caught and sentenced by the law courts in Peterbough  Kurdish and Pakistani   Basketball  Thank you to our Government for letting scum like these into the Country putting our young Children in Danger  from these predators, seems not many weeks go by now a days before we hear of another gang at it  cool2
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