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PostSubject: Re-Nationalize or Not.   Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:17 pm

At one time all of our services deemed  to be Essential services to the people were Nationalized, I grew up with the likes of the Railway's, water, Gas, Electricity, Royal mail etc  under direct control from Government for the people and not privet making some huge profits for those that all ready are privileged and not short of a bob or two but greedy enough to wont to wring a bit more out of the General public, what is your views on renationalizing these Essential services as we see prices for ever going one way and that is up and up, so to the bosses of these services wage's that can only be described as astronomical and we are all paying it with our bill's.  cool1
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PostSubject: Re: Re-Nationalize or Not.   Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:34 pm

With the gas and electric there are plenty of
suppliers to choose from and I'll be looking to see which one is the cheapest as British Gas are putting their prices up by 9%

Post Office workers fight against any changes that they see as possible job losses etc by striking.

The refuse collection was privatised and we
have seen the refuse collection drop from weekly to fortnightly, now they're thinking of making it a monthly collection.

Tbh I don't think either makes any difference, the greed is always there and prices will always change regardless as do all the services change at some point whether we like or not Rolling Eyes


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PostSubject: Re: Re-Nationalize or Not.   Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:02 am

I can see your point L.G. But i can see Beavers too. I personally think Nationalization can work. It's just one guy who got it so badly wrong that no one will dare to try it again. Plus we live in a greed fuelled society now. Ripping us off is how they get paid.
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PostSubject: Re: Re-Nationalize or Not.   Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:56 am

If we had a Government that was honest and worked in favour of the ppl then yes it would work, unfortunately this Government doesn't, already any profit they make and should go into public resources seems to disappear into thin air.

Examples: Schools, NHS, Social Services, Elderly Care and vunerable adults and children.
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PostSubject: Re: Re-Nationalize or Not.   Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:08 am

I think all essential services ought to be nationalised.

(I think road tax should go toward road repairs.)

It'd be a MASSIVE RESTRUCTURE though.


Royal Mail is about to be privatised - the NHS will be next - though it seems like everything is going into place right now -

and what about a return of the "fair rent officer service" - and the country guide to wage structures - i.e. if you were an electrician - national pay rates - and that was for every trade/job....who remembers them ???

and as for selling off the council housing stock..... 

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PostSubject: Re: Re-Nationalize or Not.   Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:11 am

Rolling Eyes Well I can see your point L.G but I can remember things use to run a lot smoother once upon a time or was I just to young then to really understand, all I know is firm's were encouraged to take on apprentices to fuel the future skill's of trade's men and women working in Nationalized industries peoples Health was free to all well we did and still do pay National insurance that was suppose to fund it, god knows what it funds now a day's, the conservatives have tho  over the years tried  to get rid of it in favour of privet treatment (more money for those money grabbers) I remember before Maggie took office a man's wage was enough to pay his rent, etc, feed his feed and cloth his family and still have afew bob in his pocket,after Maggie got in rents tripled and well every thing was way more expensive, a man's wage was no longer enough  many hit hard time's, the winter of discontent set in as she battled the Unions who apposed her which they lost,then we saw all those Essential services and more,our  assets the peoples assets striped from public owner ship and sold of to the privet sector who were ready and waiting to wring every last penney they could from  joe public and still dose.cool1
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PostSubject: Re: Re-Nationalize or Not.   Mon Oct 21, 2013 6:14 am

Rolling Eyes  Quite right there Mrs P Basketball
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PostSubject: Re: Re-Nationalize or Not.   Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:09 am

The U.Ks population has multiplied massively since then Beaver, which has increased unemployment and created more housing shortages.

Employers take on foreign workers who will work for a lower pay, and some unscrupulous employers offer apprenticeships to get cheap labour.

So many kids have gone into apprenticeships and are doing all sorts of work instead of the work skill they want to learn.

Everywhere you look there's money grabbing going on and if all the services were nationalised it would be to this Governments own benefit and certainly not ours. No
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PostSubject: Re: Re-Nationalize or Not.   Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:25 am

Rolling Eyes At least the public can  have a say how things are go,we have a vote,if we don't like what they are doing we can vote them out and vote some other money grabbers in,make them jostle for the job by at least offering joe public some thing in their favour for a change,we don't just have to vote for the two main party's do we cool1
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PostSubject: Re: Re-Nationalize or Not.   Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:02 am

Whoa!!! run that by me again....we have a say????

When did that start happening?? cool1 Wink lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Re-Nationalize or Not.   Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:02 pm

Rolling Eyes one voice is like a man peeing into the wind not heard and drowned out,but if he turn's and is joined  by many other's like minded and their voices are echoed by many more all directed in  the same direction the tide can be turned if only by a few degree's enough to put the wind up those of the Hot air Brigade cool1 whistle
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PostSubject: Re: Re-Nationalize or Not.   Tue Oct 22, 2013 2:39 am

LOL We get to vote for the same lame bogus idiots time and again and who chooses them???
Certainly not me. I dont recall ever getting a say on who exactly i want to run the country and who i dont. And i have two words for you.....Gordon Brown!!!!
Im surprised you even believe that bs beaver. 
Come on mate this is the real world you know as well as i they aren't worth the mud you scrape off your fishing boots.
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PostSubject: Re: Re-Nationalize or Not.   Tue Oct 22, 2013 2:43 am

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PostSubject: Re: Re-Nationalize or Not.   Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:25 am

The voting system is a joke really, they get voted in and cause many years of misery.

They work for us the general public, it's the public who pay their wages so we should be able to vote them out if they're failing us.

There should be another general election say every 2 or 3yrs giving them enough time at the start to implement their proposals then we have another vote as to whether we want them to stay in for another 2 or 3yrs or kick them out, bet they would work harder for the general public then.
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PostSubject: Re: Re-Nationalize or Not.   Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:34 am

Rolling Eyes So just who or what do you recommend then, we don't have any one worth while to vote for in this Country of ours, so you don't vote, you don't use what our for fathers fought and died for, so do you recommend every one just doing as they want a free for all Shocked  don't think that would get us very far would it a death dive into anarchy, or should we just give up and hand over the power to those Blind Bungling idiots in Brussels then, its either those Bungling idiots or our own Bungling idiots,the Scots next year have a vote on going it on their own and elect their own Bungling idiots at least they say they are Scotish  Bungling idiots the Welsh to may in the end do the same and dig out Welsh Bungling idiots, Shocked  so why are we so different then, it,s our own Bungling idiots or some one else's idiots or maybe hand the power over to Rome and let the Pope give us his expert attention I mean he after all has the hot line to the Great Big Man upstairs don't he divine power and all that Suspect come on now you got a vote use it, if the man or party is not up to it we the people in one voice should stand up and scream out your no dam good and get rid and give some other idiots a go, the one thing these people cherish and covert is their positions of power, they don't take kindly to losing that so if the people let them know forceful enough they in the end sit up and start smelling rose's even if just for a short while, don't forget there is more idiots to choose from other than Labour and Conservative and the other lame duck, come  Election time when they pander for your vote throwing out their false promises hold them to account for their past failings then  sit back and listen to all their excuses then challenge them to prove their worth, but don't forget no matter how bad you think things are in this Country just look at the ruddy mess other Countries are in, why do you think all those immigrants are Heading  towards Blighty then, not for nothing that's for sure, they know a good thing when they see it even if our own people don't.cool2
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PostSubject: Re: Re-Nationalize or Not.   Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:46 am

Thatcher started the ball rolling, and Cameron will destroy a lot of good things. Once it was all nationalised, and jobs were safe, more postal workers will lose their jobs. Supermarkets over here now have the post offices in them, now in Denmark everyone will have a personal digital e-mail, so they can receive letters from the government to save money. Post offices will only be open at certain times, hence one can forget the 17.00 hours closing time, forget post-boxes and be prepared for much higher postage service. In 26 years I have watched a brilliant postal service over her get privatised and crucified under Tories rule. The profits are high, but forget the people, tories motto from day 1
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PostSubject: Re: Re-Nationalize or Not.   Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:51 am

I could be wrong but as I remember it we were promised lower prices for everything because all these companys were going to be in competion for our custom. Which now turns out to be Cobblers, theres a surprise.
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PostSubject: Re: Re-Nationalize or Not.   Sat Nov 09, 2013 4:56 pm

I had to collect a recommended letter from the post  office yesterday, The post office now being in the supermarket, i had to wait in a que for 35 minuttes and then it was my turn, There was 2 grown up and one school leaver, the grown ups gave the school leaver my form which said i had a recommemnded letter, the poor girl didnt know where to look, the two grown ups were in a long intense discussion of what one cooked the night before, 20 minuttes goes passed, and i start to lose my rag. It was only when i lost my rag did these postal or supermarket workers help the Young girl, i think somewhere along the line were going the wrong way, privatising is going to cost us much more than we have been told
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PostSubject: Re: Re-Nationalize or Not.   Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:48 am

Rolling Eyes Stumpy you should have said to them Please take your time im recording this on my phone and the time taken to show your boss how hard you both work and how helpful you both are to a trainee Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Re-Nationalize or Not.   Tue Dec 10, 2013 1:55 pm

Beaver, the postal service has been allowed to be run Down, postal workers now have Electric bikes, but because they can get about quicker, they can do double the Work, hence cut the workers Down, i sent my Christmas Cards today, now its December, and you would the postal service would have more staff on at the helm, one Young girl, inbetween trying to serve people collecting and posting she was also trying to sell sweets newspapers, and then the manager cant understand why people are getting peed off. a service that was there for the public, has really gone Down the drain
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PostSubject: Re: Re-Nationalize or Not.   Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:31 am

Rolling Eyes Stumpy to that I totally agree with you. Basketball
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PostSubject: Re: Re-Nationalize or Not.   Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:51 pm

Beaver its like were all being told to go with the flow, this is what’s best for us, but not for you,  all the services that have and are there for the public are being rammed or privatised. Greedy bank managers have  screwed this country up, I don’t see any jail sentences for them, god help you if your homeless and steal a loaf of bread. I often wonder if the people was to start supporting smaller political parties that had the same meanings and views and themselves, what would happen  to the Tories and Labour. In Denmark there’s just under 5 million population, and 16 political parties, no one party can be in power, and there’s no censorship, and soon as something is happening, its brought to light. Something has gone wrong in politics, we listen young economists who are overpaid and have no idea how life is for people, why do we need to have all these spin doctors and god knows what, when we have voted in politicians who are meant to be capable of running the country and not wasting our tax money on jumped up young people who have no idea what life is.
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PostSubject: Re: Re-Nationalize or Not.   Fri Dec 13, 2013 9:54 pm

Beaver its like were all being told to go with the flow, this is what’s best for us, but not for you,  all the services that have and are there for the public are being rammed or privatised. Greedy bank managers have  screwed this country up, I don’t see any jail sentences for them, god help you if your homeless and steal a loaf of bread. I often wonder if the people was to start supporting smaller political parties that had the same meanings and views and themselves, what would happen  to the Tories and Labour. In Denmark there’s just under 5 million population, and 16 political parties, no one party can be in power, and there’s no censorship, and soon as something is happening, its brought to light. Something has gone wrong in politics, we listen young economists who are overpaid and have no idea how life is for people, why do we need to have all these spin doctors and god knows what, when we have voted in politicians who are meant to be capable of running the country and not wasting our tax money on jumped up young people who have no idea what life is.
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