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PostSubject: SHOULD WE OR SHOULDN'T WE ?   Tue Aug 27, 2013 6:19 pm

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PostSubject: Re: SHOULD WE OR SHOULDN'T WE ?   Sun Sep 22, 2013 3:53 am

Russia has a vested interest in Assad being in power,namely  because with Assad  in power,it give Russia its one and only Navel base in the Med cool2 but like you say seems Assads Generals are not playing lap dog to his commands all the time and take their time to inform him of just what they are a doing out there on the ground,seems a case of smiles to his face and the stiff finger as they go out the door Shocked and the rebels have their probs just the same rearly,alot of in fighting going on,and to top it of they got those fundamentalists doing their own thing also,one big mess and no mistake,i bet Israil is worried which ever way it goe's,seems they got to have eyes in back of their heads as attacks could come from all directions at the moment Suspect and just say that the rebels force Assad out of power,looks increaseingly likely that they will still have some fighting to do as all the differing factions jostle for position and I don't think those that wont an Islamic state would like to relinquish their foot hold with in the Country do you.cool1
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PostSubject: Re: SHOULD WE OR SHOULDN'T WE ?   Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:05 pm

Well,  think the problem is there is no foot hold on the country at current. And I think that has much to do with with it is peoples are fleeing in massive droves. I don't the waring and the bombings is the only reasons they flee-I think fear of what will happen - Assad's inner circle is not loyal ,that you see. Assad has to rely heavily on his close relatives such as his insane brother and whatever few loyalist close to his family. 

Assad really doesn't know who he can trust . Any military commandor or political arm or extension arm can defect at any minute of any hour of any day. That means he doesn't know who is really with him or who is against him in and within his inner circle.


Without Russia's backing  Assad knows he is burnt toast.
What you have to really look at is what would happen if Assad just vacated -packed up and gone by by ?

I mean think about it given what is going on and what we know now compared to what we didn't know even five days ago. 

Each day more crazy news and info. comes acrossed. 
The suiciders are kidnapping and killing one another.That relates to the explosive powder keg thing. 

You can provide the rebels with arms and munitions to level the field in theater- meaning equal the odds ,but does that stand to create a very different set of circumstances given the division in the rebel forces ? Because those forces are divided that means those rebels would be waring with themselves and the regime at the same time. 


That's the powder keg.
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PostSubject: Re: SHOULD WE OR SHOULDN'T WE ?   Sun Sep 22, 2013 2:31 pm

Lets just pretend that Assad had no knowledge of the chemical assult. And than further assume the launch was carried out by some military commandor of the regime who had access to those wepons and the authority to order the launch. 

What if the situation is so hopeless over there that the use of chemical wepons was a cry out to international community to do something. 

We have considered the rebels could have done it for that very reason.

The Russians have considered the idea of brokering safe passage for Assad out of Syera should he take the out. But those talks have ceased since months ago.  
could that be because there would be nobody Russia finds  credible in the form of a political figure head to deal with should Assad take to out ?AKA a trustable tyrant . You know if Assad should pack up =collect up all the money gold assets what have you and be given safe passage to a safe haven ?

How much do we really know about what the change involves ?
And the whos who would take power. whats their plan should Assad be defeated ,do we know ? Do they ? I don't think they have one.

I think they thought they did but it all fell apart.
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PostSubject: Re: SHOULD WE OR SHOULDN'T WE ?   Sun Sep 22, 2013 9:30 pm

There's been some thing on New's about the Russians have offered to put boots on the ground in Syria to safe guard those who would be sent in to neutralize those chemical weapons,could they also wont to make sure they have men on the ground to help Assad and his trusted aids  to flee Syria if they have to,and maybe provide some under the cuff advice to his Generals in the field etc whistle and maybe has some thing been cooked  up in that meeting between Obama and putin  when they met that they have both agreed upon,a kind of face saving get out clause if you like.cool2
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PostSubject: Re: SHOULD WE OR SHOULDN'T WE ?   Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:20 am

I haven't seen that in the news but I wouldn't doubt that being part of a plan.

I still think Assad has a deep rooted need to confess what is the truth about what is and has been going down and I do not think such a confession would be faviorable to the Russian federation.

I think Russia is more interested in stablizing Assad's position in view of 
Russia's own interests on the business end of it.

That is not to say it is all bad but what remains to be seen is what is good of it. 

As it is ,it remains a highly explosive situation and the world is indeed watching and action has passed the stages of stalemate.
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PostSubject: Re: SHOULD WE OR SHOULDN'T WE ?   Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:35 am

Rolling Eyes I only got a snippet of it myself Niagra, the news has since been dominated by events going of in Kenya which has put Syria out of the line up at pressant,but yes that's what they offered,weather or not their offer is taken up remains to be seen tho cool2
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PostSubject: Re: SHOULD WE OR SHOULDN'T WE ?   Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:51 am

Putin made a public statement about that Beaver and warned that  the over flow of terrorist activities can travel from country to country . He has warned former members of the old soviet block about potential threats. 

Putin went on to say that the idea of removing Assad from power without looking at the possible consequences of a very bad power transfer is foolish -basically indicating it is a game of blind mans bluff but the blind are those that do not look to the truth about what is going down in the big picture. 

In those areas is right where I think Assad would like to confess.
What that means is state the whole case out for the international community-the world to see it as it really is just as insane as it is.

His excuse-he inherited the whole of problem as it is and as it got progressively worse. 

However surely he knows he will not gain sympathy or backing from the international community. 

It is clear to view however that the Assad regime has known for quite some time that they cannot resolve the issues on their own. 


Putin is trying to make that case for Syera in a round about way. 
He opened that quest with the warning about an overflow of terrorist activities from country to country. 

So we must figure out ways to seperate facts from political fictionalization.

The real aspect in it is the unpredictability of the unorganized and the fact that the only common thing the unorganized have on the whole is hate.

But even hate isn't enough to strengthen a flimsical bond or a common unity strong enough to make the unorganized haters loyal to a cause of no real cause for them. 

I mean think about it-bin laden was reduced to entertining himself watching hard core porn movies inbetween watching video's of himself in his younger days. Now I ask is how pathetic is that ? Because it has to be the lunacy of it all is all and preverse.The act of making one
s self believe that a bridge can be created between the imagined and reality-bin laden's youngest wife was the portal.

Of course all that equates to the evil aspects of it.
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PostSubject: Re: SHOULD WE OR SHOULDN'T WE ?   Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:12 am

And so- the red line was called in as do not cross under any circumstances.That was established more than a year ago .

The reason for the bombing of Syera was because the red line was crossed. But of course that was avoided. 

Obama in his address made specific mention that the bombing was not a measure to be applied in effort to topple Assad's regime but a measure of applied punishment for that act of crossing the red line. 

And so the Rusisan federation has had their say through the political spectrum all along. 
we must therefor consider the fact that political wheeling and dealing has been going on for quite some time. 

It seems who done it is still an area of political hoopla. 

From what little we know of the news,the transition process with Syera's chemical stock pile is going well. 

But in the larger picture what is happening in theater is all about uncharted waters.

The hot springs are boiling over in the powder keg.
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PostSubject: Re: SHOULD WE OR SHOULDN'T WE ?   Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:24 am

Rolling Eyes One good reason for staying well out of it then, let them fight it out amongst them self's if you back Assad you would be deemed in the wrong, so to if you backed the opposition what with those Extremists elements within their ranks, and being as we are western Nations and predominately Christian at that we would undoubtly  be blamed for some thing or other, its an Arab problem so its   got to be an Arab solution cool2
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PostSubject: Re: SHOULD WE OR SHOULDN'T WE ?   Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:40 pm

It seems as though they should solve their own problems  but they can't. 

And thats been the problem all along. The only thing the different Arab countries have in common is their religon and that's about all. Other than that they agree on nothing and their religon doesn't make them all friends.
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PostSubject: Re: SHOULD WE OR SHOULDN'T WE ?   Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:39 pm

Rolling Eyes With that I agree with you Niagra, they have never known really how to live in peace with each other history proves that, there is an old film about an English man that is based on a true account, called Lawrence of Arabia, the story is as I think you would know from the film was to unite the many differing tribes to fight a common enemy namely the Turks, the in fighting and feuding was portrayed in that film, and looks like it still exists in the modern World to, so if even they cannot solve their own problems how can we solve them fore them, its an impossible task, so why waste, yes I say waste the lives of our own young men trying to which will in the end be in vain, the only thing we should be involved in within those Arab Country's is Trade and Tourists, and stay well out of their squabbles which are as proved through out their History to be endless, as for their Religion well they can  keep that within their lands to as it is an unwanted export of theirs in the west cool2
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PostSubject: Re: SHOULD WE OR SHOULDN'T WE ?   Sat Sep 28, 2013 3:02 am

Apparently Assad is quite desperate to save his face of power.
He says he has superior weapons with greater destructive capabilities than his chemical stock pile. He went on to say he can totally blindside Isreal with total devastation.

And he says that Russia has his back should there be a strike against Syrea ,he said Russia will put boots on the ground if Syera is attacked. 


That twisted man is paranoid,he thinks the Russian federation will wage war against the world should Syrea be attacked.
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PostSubject: Re: SHOULD WE OR SHOULDN'T WE ?   Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:49 am

Shocked Well if that's is so then Assad is deluded Shocked Russia is many things, but foolish is not a word that I would readily use about them, Assad needs to see his shrink for a consultation im thinking cool2
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PostSubject: Re: SHOULD WE OR SHOULDN'T WE ?   Sat Sep 28, 2013 6:00 pm

Exactly Beaver ! I looked at the interview on utube. He does have issues ,that's for sure.
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PostSubject: Re: SHOULD WE OR SHOULDN'T WE ?   Sun Sep 29, 2013 12:03 am

Rolling Eyes Niagra I think the whole Arab World has unresolved issues cool2 and now I see that Iran has suddenly changed its attitude and is being very sociable to every one, smiles all around no flag burning or chanting death to America, death to Israel, or any other western Nations, being very diplomatic in trying to convince the west of it peaceful intentions with it Nuke power stations and enrichment facilities angel :ang3:I think I felt safer when they were being Hostile towards us rant2 angry at least we knew were we stood with them then, now think I would tread very  carefully if I were the U.N.and Obama had better watch it in his talks with Rohini  cos it would be like trusting a cobra not to strike if you upset it whistle
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PostSubject: Re: SHOULD WE OR SHOULDN'T WE ?   Sun Sep 29, 2013 6:51 am

Actually-, it is not surprising that Iran has changed it's tune music  and reversified  it's outragious ranting:rt2:  angry 

Since the little guy stole the election that is the election prior to this last election ,-it was at that point suspicion was raised on high. The little guy is and was a nobody and the Iranian people were outraged at his not having been ousted. 

It seems to me the little guy was kept there to do ecactly all he did which was nothing for Iran really -,he was kind of ike the headless horseman when traveling outside Iran-they all knew he was just a figure head put there to serve a purpose and that purpose just may have been to buy time to create a highly calculated reverse approch to the way it has been since the Shaw of Iran was removed from power.

Simply- the change as you are begining to see it is actually long over due and that fact has been realized in their political spectrum for a very long time. 

But, at the time of the stolen election in Iran when the little man held on,way up in their upper echelon , is just where the real planing was going on. 

Have you noticed what is going on with the catholic church with this new pope ? 

I bring this into the issue at hand because it has to do with the big picture and what is happening in changing world. 

Now sanctions and Iran. Little man was blunt and tyranic about his views about sanctions having little to no effect.At the same time Iranian peoples,many of them had no gas to cook with. That to Irans refineries. So they export but many peoples in Iran have zero access to gas .
It is just an example of why it is the little man as the tryrant was needed in the position he were in as a result of a stolen election. You see ,with the little man in power for as little as it was in actuality ,he was the face of the problems the peole experienced- the face of blame. 

And so he served a purpose while the transitional change was worked out. And so it took years. 

Now, the little mans words have and had little to no meaning and his last term served even less than little to no.And I think that was the big clue to an imminent impending change that was in the works in Iran.And after 30 years how can change not take it's course ?

The political word out there in the generality is encouraging ,least we can say better that than the other.

Leave us say it appears to be a kinder gentler approch .
And again ,better that than:rt2: angry rain rant3
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PostSubject: Re: SHOULD WE OR SHOULDN'T WE ?   Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:49 am

Rolling Eyes I would still like to sit back and reserve judgement myself, it some times pays just to tread with a little caution after all the ranting's and ravings of the past looked on and approved by their so called Supreme leader a sudden shift in attitude and fluttering of their eye lids together with a smile that shows their pearly white teeth, well think I'll need a little bit more time to form an opinion as to their readiness to re-join the real and Modern World, a Dangerous World at that, so no big Hugs for a while until their intentions are proved to be Honourable.cool2
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PostSubject: Re: SHOULD WE OR SHOULDN'T WE ?   Sun Sep 29, 2013 7:01 pm

Sure and of course beaver,again though change is long over due .
It really doesn't come as big surprise although I do believe it is a well planed timely process over there in Iran with much preperation and in secret. They have a radical segment of thier populas that they will have to reel in. somebody threw a shoe at the returning president's motorcade over there in Iran.

Isn't that part of the powder keg issues . Putin was talking about the over flow of radical or terrorists activity -comparing it to something of a volcanic erruption . That's where they use the term volitile in reference to the mid east on the whole. All they have to ban them together is hate and hate is disorganization . So it's explosive.A cause of no real cause.
The haters are death loving so the terrorist leaders marshal as many of them as they can -they call that jahid or some such thing. A cause of no real cause. 

So what are they going to do with them when they no longer serve a purpose ? Where  will all those haters go ? 

Thats Putin's questions he raises to the matters at hand.
But it's not just Putin who wonders about all that ,-volitile they say. It is a good question though- haters are always at war because they hate everything in life.Thats why they turn into suiciders.Of their minds they convince theirselves they will be rewarded in death with more than there is. With that in their minds the go into exactly what they love which is death. But they defeat their own fear of death at the thought of killing others so they do not have to face it alone. 
Cold blooded killers all think that way. The killer might do down in the process but the killer will take somebody with em.
In saying so the killer/criminal is giving an addmission of fear.

That's where conditioning or brain washing is part of jahid training. The study of hypnosis and that of a self induced hypnotic state is helpfull in obtaining a mind wrap around how it is they brain wash them.The underware bomber they caught in Detroit Mich. on Christmas day was in a trance like state when they captured him on the plane. He wasn't altogether sure if he was there in that chair or not. And than they cuffed him. so the conditioning is both conscious and subconscious in a absolute belief through brain washing.So they really work on them in those cells.



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PostSubject: Re: SHOULD WE OR SHOULDN'T WE ?   Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:18 pm

Rolling Eyes So Brain washed and probley drug induced the jihadist goes' to his dream of a life in paradise floating on a cloud even before pressing the detonator switch that in turn in an instant the jihadist probley    experiences a milly second of well being as in slow motion his eyes see a great white blinding light and his body is ripped from this earth to enter that great unknown that he would call paradise and that others would say would be Hell, and in the process the jihadist takes some unwilling souls with him to justifie  his warped sense of thinking,if say there is a Heaven and Hell,then at that point in time as they all enter that great white light I recon then their paths would take very different routs, he would descend downwards his innocent victims  would probley be granted instant access to those fabled pearly Gates undoubtedly.cool2
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