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PostSubject: Madeleine McCann case    Sun May 19, 2013 6:11 am

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The Daily Mail had a article and it looks as though UK authorities have turned up plenty of leads . But the authorities of Portugal refuse to reopen the case because of the wide spread corruption running rampent throughout their country.

There are plenty of names on the suspect listing and I have no doubt the ousted chief of detectives who was in charge of the case is one of those who fell to suspicion.

On the political end of it the McCann's raised red flags in political arena over there in Portugal and fear spread through all political channels as a result on unwanted world wide attention and the fear of. . The tourism industry accounts for very much money in revenue in a country that is hard pressed and corrupt as all hell.

According to the article in the Daily Mail the McCann's are very pleased with the ongoing investigation being conducted by the authorities of the UK.

The potential loss in tourism in Portugal in certain localities was the motivating factor in what is noted to be one of the worst investigations conducted in a child kidnapping case .The investigation on the part of the authorities of Portugal was all about dirty tricks and wide spread political and criminal corruption .

The authorities of Portugal fear world wide attention being brought back into their domain.

Even the Attorney General of Portugal confessed to the wide spread corruption in Portugal when he said-he doesn't think there is a phone in Portugal that isn't phone tapped by the criminal element in Portugal which has strong ties to government.

I think the former ousted chief of detectives in charge of the case is a sex offender himself.Noting that sex offenders found a place to be free in Portugal.And that is a point to fact.A fact that received some coverage but not nearly enough. That very vacation spot is or was also a safe haven for sex offenders . And that is not something that would be available for review in the  the travel agencies advertising literature.And I wouldn't be surprised at all if a travel agent is involved in some way with the kidnapping.

The super rich can buy whatever they want and a natural biological child with what will be seen as perfect genes would be a tall order.

The chain of pay offs would stretch far wide.But when money is no object ,distance is no object either.

The chain of corruption would be stretching far and wide in such a case secnario

It is believed by the authorities of the UK that Madeleine McCann may be alive and well.


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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:10 am

Regarding the sitter service the resort provided, what do we know about it and what do we know about the hours that sitter service operated in and within. Was it for exampe a dawn to dusk sort of thing ? Closing up service at about the time children are put to bed ?

And another point of question ,it would seem to me that using the resort sitter service is also a form of reliance of the resort management ino far as how it is those sitters of their employ references are checked out. This is to say how would you have gone about confirming the resorts assurances the sitters of their employ are perfectly credible ?

And, how do know that there isn't a ligitimate reason they chose to keep watch on the children the way it was done. ?

The McCann's were restricted from talking about the case under the threat of incerceration as part of the authorities of Portugal's cover up .

How do know they hadn't had a questionable experience with the resort child services prior to the kidnapping. ?

Through the media all we know is whatever little about it the authorities of Portugal wanted us to see- they only put out there what thy wanted us to see in attempt to get us to think what they wanted us to think-us meaning the greater global public.

That is all about very high level political spin conducted by the authorities of Portugal with full cooperation of the media at large.

Up untill the investigation was reopened by Uk authorities ,it seemed as though the authorities of Portugal had achieved their deaired end result and successfully put in a shelf frozzen in time.

That is a cover up gone cold.
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:49 am

Rolling Eyes well I don't know if they used a sitter service or not, most people that take young children abroad  often take an older baby sitter with them on their Holliday to look after the children by night time and free to Holliday by day time,at least that way you know who is with your child and you trust them to look after your child for you,that way you can have time to your self's and your trusted baby sitter can have a free Holliday abroad and  Baby is safe.cool2
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:32 am

I was thinking that the resort provides areas designated for children to play and are watched over by resort staff as well as parents during day time hours. Part of the vacation billing package is all about the safe conditions provided for the family vacation escape. There are numerous questions surrounding the sitter accommodations not just at the vacation resort but also in the advertising or billing aspects in it. That,- to the vacation booking agency.

Now than, the McCann vacation party was representative of a big sale to the agency they went to,-to make the vacation arrangements. And word of mouth has always been the best and least expensive form of advertising. And that is what is meant by big sale- The McCann's vacation parties circule of association-their society. 

Now than it would be quite natural to assume that the booking agency of question itself was billed as being highly credible.  Which means that agencies cedits must have been or seemed very impressive to anyone looking to book a vacation package from an agency with*-note this-,a highly credible standing.

Now than form what I have come to know about that process -,in many cases agencies of such actually send in their own people to check out the lay out of the land in those resort areas they place their credibility acrossed in both the billing='s advertisments and  sales. The McCann party was assured through the agencies cridibility -honesty ,integrity all that- that the vacation package theywere selling met all the requirements said-communicated to the agency by the McCann vacation party- not just what they were looking for but what they required.

One would assume those in the business of selling vacation packages would constantly update the data imput in the interest of customer satisfaction as well as the integrity of the business.I say so because many credible agencies in the business of selling vacation packages do so.
We can safely assume it is no low cost agency selling eccno vacation packages so the McCann party paid more to that agency given their credibility.  But we can also safely assume that agency was cutting their own overhead expenses by not doing the fallowup -and fallowing the crime rate in those vacation spots is a big part of what must be tracked.

However we do know that the local authorities at that vacation resort did not do their due dillegence in keeping accurate publically accessable information of crime escalation because doing their job in that respect would or could put a serious dent in the tourist exchange. The cover up starts right there by the way.

When they get to the bottom of that-it shall become clear why there really was not much of an investigation into the kidnapp to begin with.

But, if that vacation booking agency was at all credible ,one woud think they have their own lines into what goes in the localities of the vacation spots on the map they sell. And when the agency is more of a high end business -catering to those who pay a little more because they require more- I would suspect the trail of deception leads to the vacation booking agency. And there is a thing called kick backs- bonus's paid to agents that sell a lot of vacation packages for certain resort areas.

This is to say somebody at the booking agency is unable to wash their hands clean-or face for that matter. May even be an alcoholic cocain sniffer.

If it were just a matter of putting together all pieces to the crime in a proper prospective with cooperation form the authorities of Portugal ,I have little doubt the case will have been solved by now.

This cover up I speak of may very will be as bad or worst than the kidnapp. I say so because the criminals that did the kidnapp are being shielded by the authorities of Portugal because the crime to those authorities of Portugal pointed to the truth about the fact that crime escalation is really what is out of controll in all of Portugal and that is the last thing those authorities wanted golbal attention on. I say so because political corruption is all about crimes  being committed and having benn committed by-CRIMINALS of all kinds and walks of life.

The McCann kidnapping case shines the light on the trickel down effect where it is lowely child abducting scumbags get to walk because of higher crime issues. Again-political corruption knows no bounds.
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Sun Oct 20, 2013 2:37 pm

And so now the breaking news- there is and has been all along a crime conspiracy cover up going on all along .And I dare say crime itself knows no bounds or territorial boundries which means crossing over form one country to another is just but a matter of crossing lines which is just what crime is all about.

Fromer president Richard Nixon wrote one time regarding the Watergate break in scandle that -qote- it is not the crime that gets you caught or destroys you ,it''s the cover up that brings down the doom.

Nixon went on to talk about how the crime itself-[the breakin ] was a relatively minnor issue in the full scope of just what was coming out of it as political unrest had taken hold in both houses of congress and the nation as a whole and the world. But the world view to it is what most americans were unaware of as well as what was really going on it . Thats the key-what was really going on.

The break in's to Nixon was nothing that doesn't go on in politics quite often,and as rule he thought it impossible for the president of the United States to get caught in act. He concluded that it wasn't the crime that destroyed him ,it was the cover-up.

The daunting question that still haunts many to this day is why did Nixon stay in office as long as he did seemingly in denial as congress of democratic majority were stipping presidential powers away from the president who had been renenders powerless.

But I think he answered that one himeself- The Cover-Up.
And what the white house had to cover up wasn't about the watergate scandle. And what was going on in those years has all been reclassified so we won't know as a matter of fact for a good long time to come even if we do know. You see, what was really going on in the world.

What Nixon was getting at twisted as it were is that the crime itself was not the daming factor and the situation could have been handled although it will have reflected very badly upon the president of the United States who was a lame duck president anyway. Just how lame is what came into his awareness, he kept asking advisors should I resign and they kept advising him to stay put. He may have realized he was being used.And he may have left some of thoughts to that in those white house papers that remain sealed and reclassified.

Ok so he thought that the crime started out as a little insignificant thing that somehow jettisoned out of control.

What is this about ? It's about a very particular fear that politicans feel from the top of their heads all the way down to the bottom of their shoes.And there is no pond and it effects them all everywhere.

If you look back at what was going on in the world back than-it is not hard to see why Nixon saw watergate as water over the dam too insignificant to be bothered with. But he just didn't really have the power to stop the press in those days.

These days it's a whole different set of rules they operate by.

Whats the connection ? It comes down to crime and cover-ups.
When politicans fears turn to paranoia that's when the worst posible things happen and that is because of those cover ups and what it all turns into as situations jettison out of political control.

As they fear for thier own arses they will at the same time stop at nothing to save their own arses. More often than not it pans out sociopathic.

Now than,Nixon was angered on high at the democrats and he sought revenge. He wrote a republican play book to operate by and many of those republicans operate by that game plan to this day. Part of what Nixon talks about in that political strategy is all about denial and reversing the blame onto to opponents even if yer caught red handed. The wording is more complicated but that is what it all comes down to, denial and reversing the blame.It seems Nixon wanted to save his party.

Some say Nixon pocessed political genus.
 Where that line of politically oriented thought came from, is anybodies guess and it is used around the globe and has been for centuries.

And really it is not all that hard to recognize as that tactic is being applied.Nixon simply formated it and put it all down in words of print.

The chief of detective who was ousted did exactly what was expected of him by the political rule that dictated his actions.
A pawn in the beaurcratic process and a servent of the beaucrates that over rule.

And his life story is just as ugly and utterly disgusting as his crime theory he created to please those he served.It was nothing more than a sociopahic delusion applied to please those of political authority who were all paranoid and desperate to gain control.
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:03 am

As you know we learn from history and the Nixon error has and had a lot to teach.

I know in the UK Nixon was viewed as somewhat of a monster. They were shaking things up over there in the Mid. East. Actually fear and uncertainty spread . It was a troublesome period in the world theater and nobody knew what was going to happen from one monent to the next on stage.

Suddenly the watergate scandle took center stage and that threw a damper into the whole of it.

Out of all the kaoss and fear and uncertainty through the scandle and scandist activities came a newly coined term /phrase -political paranoia -it is a condition that effects politicians in particular those of high ranking standing and their lieutenants.Holderman and Gorden Liddy are examples of lieunentants.They do the dirty deeds so the ranking politicans do not ever seem to dirty their hands. They also take the brunt of the blow back when what it is they are hiding or in attempt to cover up is exposed. They are loyal and they are prepared to scarifice themselves and their careers and will except consequences of prosecution if necessary rather than expose the truth .

Political paranoia will be the cause of politicans making some of the most insidious outragous decisions or cause them to order soome very terrible things be carried out by thier lieunetants all to avoid unwanted attention to wrong doings they do or simply unwanted publicity or attention be brought to light in a negitive mannor.

Political paranoia will cause them to make very stupid decisions ,and say very stupid things all of which is geared to save their political arses and through that paranoia anybody -person place or thing what gets caught in the cross fire of those face saving attempts -it is all considered ,well,expendable all in the interest of self preservation-that of one saving one's own political arss.

And it can down right dirty ,disgusting, and even hell bent evil.

And the term monsterous is a word that scales it all.This is not to feed in a little forst bite into the mix, but what it is about is calling out the depth and the doings that political paranoia brings out such as it did during the McCann's appeal to the greater global public -that meaning political paranoia struck likeness to a out of control virus for which there was no antidote and it struck hard and fast and it effected the entire political structure in Portugal.

There is a saying that we know well over here and it is about something they think we know not of-it goes this way-  political corruption comes down as far down as it goes-right down to yer local county sheriff. That is known as the corruption chain link. The corruption chain link as a term was coined in the 1960's in America at a time when racial riots and war protest were heating up big time.

The chief of detectives link to that chain in Portugal was reinforced and transformed into a solid permenant link befor he took over the position he held at the time of the crime. He was their lieutenant-he was thier evil doer-and he fallowed his orders and than some.

His orders came down as a result of the wide spread infestation of political paranoia which as it so happened spread throughout the entire chain link.But it did not stop in Portugal- it actually crossed lines boundries, geographical boundries in other words it branched out.

The thing about political paranoia is that it knows no bounds -if it hits in a area it spreads to many areas- it knows no bounds same as corruption itself knows no bounds.

The whole of became a problem and that problem turned into political paranoia in the worst wide spread kind of a way. the only solution to the problem those political paranoiacs could think to conjour up in that time frame was to simply make the problem go away by any and all dispicuble means.

Enter there the chief of detctives a loyal soldier, dispicable is dispicable by any other name. you can call it chief of detectives ,you can call it whatever name it was given through birthright ,more importantly you can just call it out for what it is.

Political paranoia is no excuse but it is cause and it's effects are as costly as it gets.
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Mon Oct 21, 2013 8:36 am

All politicians use 'agendas' to hide their mistakes and cover their backs, but it's a sad thing that Madeleine McCann's fate boils down to political agenda when the reality is she's a little girl who's missing and one of many children who have gone missing and if politicians past or present are only bothered to save their own butts or glorifying themselves in the public eye, they can bog off as far as I'm concerned Rolling Eyes

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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:32 am

Yes ,and the question is who will have what it takes to call it out for what it is and will other who's no matter what country they hail from show stong support for the truth of the matter having been called out front and center.

The cold truth is a diffucult thing for many peoples to fathom ,some peoples of Portugal think that peoples in other countries are lead to believe there is no functional system of justice in Portugal and so they therefore will think to beliveve that such opinions are misguided.

On the corruption sides of it those who are corrupt operate by the view in it that what they the people don't know won't hurt them. The other side of that same coin is they figure the public has a short memory. Those two things on the same coin opposite sides becomes a defensive shield for the lie'n corrupt polticians .They learn over time how to weve inbetween the hidden in's and outs by it. Toss is denial and it's just a matter of which one is better at it as to what seperates the winners from the losers ,such as it is in politics.

This is not to say there is no such thing as a good politican ,but the good ones must know how to pick and choose their battles and of course timing makes the difference.

Sadly ,there was much too much going on back than down the avenues of political wheeling and dealing for a hard challange to be fronted in search of the truth. A thing called political barriers.Tricks known as jumping through whoops and cutting red tape getting through obsticles can become the next thing to impossible if not impossible when solid clad political barriers are put into place.

The case is was filled with oversights but many of those oversights were intentional. It may be the next thing to impossible to prove but compiling a mountian of circumstancial fact findings is plenty enough to make that case to the greater global public.

There is nothing wrong with citizens being in the know about wrong doings of government officals no matter how down and dirty it gets.

After all if the people don't want to know and want to do something about it,than who will ?

Now than, the McCann's started out in it by appealing to the public for help- seeking the help of the people. As a result of it becuause of the immence public support political paranoia spread like a whild fire.

Time passed and timing clicked in favorable motion to launch the search of the truth. And the investigation reopened in perfeect timing.

It started when the McCann;s took it to the people.
And by that same method it shall be solved.
Political paranoia is a sickness that has it's roots in greed and self preservation and those that catch that virus cannot help themselves really even though they have been wired or cross wired to help themselves -political pay offs and such-they just must help themselves to it and they just can't help it.

Now it stands to reason you cannot place yer blind trust in them given all that.

And that is just what the McCann's came into the know about.
They knew it was going to get messy,but nothing could have prepared them for how ugly it got.

But the fact remains thay did not stand alone and they never will.

Something I never lost sight of is the goods the authorities of Portugal sent to England for forensic examination .What shocked me is there seemed to be a certain amount of validity lend to the authorities of Portugals claims in the case where it is they reversed all the balme on to the McCann's. This having to do with hair fibers located in the boot of the rental car the McCann;s used .And of course the media was flooded with information and released it which of course helped inflame the onging media stories.

I mean for real does it really take a brain sergeon or a rocket scientist to figure out that a thing called evidence tampering and situation manipulation has been going on in law inforcement forever much of which is poo-litically motivated ?  Since the crime scene was contaminated and manipulated from the start it stands to reason after it turned political that everything about it was manipulated,contaminated or manufactured. Is there really any way of knowing what those cops collected up when exactly or where ?Or is it exceptable to simply believe that they did the best they could do given what they have and have not ?

That chief of detectives was not just a cop ,he worked in special divisions and is well versed and experienced in tampering with evidence and directing /conducting investigations steering it you might say tword the desired end result those he served would find moreso favorable. Beating confessions out his victims called suspects wasn't at all about the suspect confessing to a crime ,it was all about beating victims into submission forcing them to confess to crimes of which they may or may not have had any knowledge of.

Surely you have seen it in the movies under the heading of fiction ,but is it fiction or does it happen a lot ? This is sunny Portugal we are talking about and the heat is notorious for sustaining the lunacy .what other than a lunitic would pull out a fence board and beat a woman into confessing to crime ? Did he really do that or would he have you ask -you ever see a Portuguise guy of size flair up in extreme anger ? I have as a man of war.Such a thing would scare the life out of anyone other than a man of war or woman of war- alpha.

When such a type comes down from that they are either apolegetic for having raised such anger or disillusioned because yer were not phased by it.

That's the bottom line unless the predator gains full control by having over powered the situation.
or in reverse when the predators force is met with equal or greater action. When that action happens as a rule it is the predator who is taken by total surprise because befor they pounce they convince themselves they can over power the situation/victim whatever it may be.

Predators have been known to walk right into what they have had coming for a good long time that way. 

It is no different in this case.  That former chiief of deectives has had former co workers who knew him on other assignments speak on behalf of professinalism indicating he was an effectve well seasoned investigator. Of course they wouldn't say anything bad about him because it would reflect unfavorably on their prefessional ethics ,that is if it exists within their ranks.In all fairness it doesn't always get lost along the way. But for some or ever too many it does.

I leave it off here because journalists are notoriously known for losing any and all ethical standards along the way ,in fact many of tham are sell outs or worshipers of power -Murdocians-is that a word ? Mur-doc-eeians kochonians
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Tue Oct 22, 2013 7:41 am

cof:  We know that the chief of detectives had issues from past investigations come back at him to bite him in arse. Actually they were doing a case review. Of course he saw nothing wrong with his ways about forcing confessions out of his victims-just the same as sex offenders,child molesters see no wrong in what they do.

At a point in his investigation befor he was relieved of his position it became clear to him that the McCann case will either eliminate his questionable ways and boost his credibility placing him in high favor up in the chain link or they will throw him under the bus -more or less demote him by reassigning him to some obscure position in a place where he in effect has no power and is kept under watch untill they decide what to do with him.

So that translates to the case would either make or break his career.

At some point in it befor he was relieved of his duties he knew he was finished -it wasn't going to pan out in his favor or his way wasn't going to pan out favorably to those he served in the political chain link.

That means at a point in his investigation his motives and reasons for agressively ,insanely persuing his twisted crime theory became a self interest in the interest of monentary gain. That means he realized his areer was over and time was no longer on his side.

But regardless to what was going on in the upper aspects of his higher authorities,he was still in charge of the case and in charge of case handling from where he stood in it untill otherwise ordered.

The hard aspects in it looking at this man is figuring out or trying to figure out at what point in at actually did his interest in it turn moreso to self interests and gain? He's a woman hater of that there can be no doubt. And an educated woman ,one who has standing within profession ,and medical doctor -a person who stands above that man in every way-yet modest with humility and at the same time head strong meaning a strong sense of self.
A person who has modesty and humiltity and honesty to one who has no conscience or lost it looks about like objects easily manipulated. And the child to that twisted man was just that an object easily manipulated.See, he sees it same way the molester sees it. At some point it must become clear that not only does that twisted phychopath think like a criminal but he is one as it takes one to know one as the saying goes.

Now than ,a woman of Dr. McCann's position had to be more than enough to make that woman haters blood boil. He was not and is not capable of seeing a woman as equal and in no way can she be greater than he.No she can't be greater than the narcissistic sociopath according to the narcissistic sociopath although the narcissistic sociopath would never confess to that .Which means that is his secret.

That twisted piece of work must have been literally having orgasims at the very thought of pulling Kate McCann down ,destroying her in very possible and conceivable way.And his experience in knowing how to slip through the in's and out's and that challange he saw befor him to him was the great test of pushing the limits -extreme limits. This was mental gymnastics not to be compared to the atheltic challange-that of pushing the limits though pushing those limits none the less.

In his mind he convinced himself that the case prior, the one where he used a fence board to beat a confession out of his victim-to him that case simply helped to prepare him for the case at hand-you know the saying-a bird in hand is worth two in the bush.

You see he wanted it bad-he had to have it.And he was and is obsessed if not possessed-dead bent beyond that twisted.

So it's about finding the exact point in time his motives became strictly about capital gain total self interests.Because that is when he himself was sure beyond doubt his career had ended it was just a matter of time .
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:02 am

Rolling Eyes I see a young Blond haired Girl of 5/6 years of age has been found with some Gypsies in a camp I think in Greece, I only saw a quick report on the news about it,the authorities are checking out reports  that she may not be the only one,so fingers crossed little Maddey  may yet be found Neutral
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Tue Oct 22, 2013 3:02 pm

Those gypsee's have been charged with forged documents ,and various other charges and kidnapp charges are pending. They have a lawyer and claim now after having changed their story repeatedly that they adopted the child directly from the natural biological mother who was unable to take care of her although the adoption papers presented were forged ,changing their story again they claim the agreement was between them and the childs mother . Their lywer claimes once the childs natural biological mother is located their story will pan out however authorities are not buying into it and the gypsess's were remanded to jail.

There are other children too.

The Greek authorities are in full cooperation with interpol and have heard from as far away as the United States form persons interested .

Since it is clear those gypse'ses in particular are pathological liers,nothing they or their lawyers say is truth source.

I think they are looking for leads to a global child abduction ring aka a black market. Could turn out to be what they call in drug trafficing a safe house -a place where just another kid in transit can be kept for a period in time un-noticed.

Read futher you will see there are more children-more than just a few.

The child is 4 yrs. old. But as you say it does demonstrate there is hope for sure.
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:36 pm

Rolling Eyes Well It would seem that the Roma couple said at first that the child was 4 years old, but it has now been estimated that this age is wrong and this child is more like 6 year's of age, other Roma that have been questioned said to have backed up the couples claim's about the child and also said that the child's biological Father often turned up to check on his Daughter, the last time only a few day's before the police raided the Roma site, but then it was said he then turned up when the new's of the Blond haired Girl found with the Roma couple hit the new's, and promptly did a disappearing act again, make's one wonder that, was he the natural Father or a member of a child for cash or worst ring that did a runner before he was asked questions by the police that he would rather not answer.
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:45 pm

cof:  That all seems in line with what I'm reading-regards to the aledged fathers disappearing act.

Let me look and see what more I can find.

I'll do a search later in the day.

Looks like they figure she is between 5 and 6 years of age.
They are looking at a possible 10 more cases connected to this couple. They suspect those people have children from the United States,Canada,Poland and France.

They the suspected abductors say the child is Bulgarian.
And again the authorities believe the papers they presented are forged documents.

What it may turn out to be is those gypsee's are operating kind of like a holding center more like a drug safe house. Part of a very large child abduction ring.

Drug safe houses are temporary holding sites for large drug shipments and the drugs are repacked for shipping /distribution.

Example drugs coming into the United States from Mexico -the safe house's are used to process the drugs and ready the stuff for shippnig/distribution.Rather like a transfer station.

Somehow I suspect those gypsee's are versed in dealing with immagration matters -having ready made pictures to show of a happy dancing child with the adoption mother-the aledged father who shows from time time to time but this time did a disappearing act fast.

It is as if they have it all down as to what it is they are expected to show but more like to immagration authorities. By now they must be aware they have global attention and interntional interest and interpol is on to them.

My guess would be if there is far more to this, the children must first be located that gotten safely out of there ,than identified and than the biological parents must be informed and all that is timely.

There may be delays in news coverage of the whole of the situation at hand because identifying the children and notification of the parents.


I imagine they are putting together a international data base of missing children with computer generated pictures of what the kids will look like today-perhaps gathering dna samples to fead into the data base and plenty of joint cooperation .

If I am correct down that avenue such a data collective built up and fead into a programme built up could become something that can do much good in the now and future.

Imagine that a unified joint global effort to create something for the greater good. And it's about the children and inspired by children.Actually,saving the children

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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:08 pm

Rolling Eyes No I think your on the right track there Niagra, myself personally  I don't see any thing wrong in a World never mind a Country by Country optional basis D.N.A. Sample taken from all,iv nothing to hide, only those that would rather creep around under the radar so to speak have any thing to fear about a sample of Their D.N.A. to be added to a World Data base, it would make cases like this child abduction, to Terrorist activity far more risky for the offenders, and make it easier than it is now to take these enemies of the people of the streets world wide, obviously there would inevitably be a hue and cry over compulsory D.N.A. Samples being taken with crys of  it breach's one's Human right's etc and it could open up all manner of other abuses of power by  those who hold such records etc but I can see if not in what's left of my life time that some thing a kin to this becoming the Norm in the distant future, maybe  mirco chip every one like we do our pets, now that to would create grounds for a good moan and grown about Human rights etc  at least it would make a change from religion and the colour of one's skin etc then again we could let Niagra loose cracking his whip like angry angry
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:18 pm

Yes well, I was thnking more of a speed rush data collective of children reported kidnapped or missing over say a ten year span or so .I mentioned interpol so here it's about a international data collective with dna samples fead into it or parential samples and computer generated pictures of how the child would appear today all fead into a giant programme built up to do a speed rush through the data and comparitive data in effort to identify located children such as the possible 10 related to this case. Rather a global tracking system operated by a global joint task force.

Imagine erradicating child trafficing . Indeed send in the drones.
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:24 pm

Rolling Eyes Niagra  I hear what your saying and to tell you the truth I beleave such a system is all ready in operation as I type,and has been for a good few year's now but with all this publicity over Maddy and other children things may be now advancing at a more rapid pace cool2 well I do hope it is.Basketball
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Tue Oct 22, 2013 10:37 pm

If such a system does exist it most certainly isn't advanced enough.
If it were you a figure we would have read about king pins of child trafficing rings having been prosecution and child recovery.

However we do know interpoll is a good system they must have some type of data collective. But look at the global span -U.S. Canada ,Poland ,France just for example.The Roma gypsies are said to have 10 children that may be from the 4 countries of mention. A lot of missing children cases there ,now think global-lots and lots of data there.

Again if there is a system in place it isn't big enough or advanced enough to accomadate such volumes of data. Certainly it requires a global unified effort to create the big stopper.
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:05 pm

Rolling Eyes well on the New's over here a photo of Maddie as she was was set against a photo fit of a computer generated photo fit pic as to how she may look now 6 years on there is work also taken from work carried out by archaeologists when they have skulls reconstructed by skilful people who use muscle fixture points to add flesh to long fleshless bones to bring a face back from the distant past into the present  time giving us a face of a long dead person as they once were, this same tecno  could and can be used to add  an older face based on photo's of a child or a person as they were at a given time in their lives so a reconstruction of the possible likeness as they would appear now in the present, that part is more advanced now than it once was,but  records of past abductions, people or organizations known to be active in a given field of criminal activity take time to build up and categorise, but as time goe's on this to should and will become an indispensable source of information that could help in case's like Maddie's and others be it abdution,Terrorists,or just plain criminal activities cool2
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:32 am

See what you can find out about the 7 year old blond haired blue eyed child taken away from a roma family in Dublin Sunday Bev. Picked up the article on BBC news..Same mo. false documents birth certificate . It seems to mirror Greece.
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:53 pm

Well it'a as I suspected there has been no hits on the interpol data base in search of a match to the childs dna. 

The article went on to say the data base does not include the United States -it didn't say if Canada was included. 

It would seem to be sense worthy that since the child adduction trafficking rings are international-sholdn't that require the data base to also be international ?And shouldn't there be a international task force built up since child abductors are terrorist ?
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:27 pm

Well, as the information comes down those gypsy;s had on registration 14 children ,were operating a welfare scam and it seems  according to how they operate there is much more. The child Maria is just at the age where scamer mothers and scamer father images can train the children to assist in crimes .Welfare scamers are known to be involved in all types of crimes including identity thieft and credit card fraud .

Part the crimes committed in identity thieft and credit card fraud ,bank fraud etc. for example -less the computer aspects in it is mail thieft . Now than the children of about that age are prime according to criminal thinking to train to assist in the crimes.  I read a review some years ago on how it is they operate. 

The 40 yr. old male has a criminal backround as does most likely the female -both are predators. 

i almost must wonder if perhaps six years ago word was put out through the criminal grape vine as the saying goes that blond haired blue eyed children of a certain age requirement were in high demand in black market sales. 

If so that could indicate that word was put out there for a very specific reason that reason having to do with sightings of Maddie McCann early on in the case none of which panned out.But there was indeed sightings of blond haired blue eyed children in the company of darker skined types and the circumstances rather matched the situations in Greece and Dublin though those leads were excused or ruled out. This is to say those leads were none the less supecious than than what we are looking at now. Something seems to defy coincedence or coincedences.

The scamers that had Maria must have figured it is now time for her to earn her keep as selling her never happened because the demand wasn't real in the way they thought it was. 

If it's anything like that ,it could point to terrorists . If thats the case the kidnapp was planned out in every detail every step of the way and funded to the tune of spare no expense. In other words those sightings back than could have staged to throw off investigators-spin confusion as he saying goes having been lead on a wild goose chase.

In the video of the child Maria seemingly dancing with the gypsy woman, I had to notice the pacifyer in her mouth. 
Something about that video seemed staged and somewhat odd.
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Wed Oct 23, 2013 10:43 pm

Rolling Eyes Well it also transpired that during search's at both the Greek and Irish Roma residence's multiple documents later established as forged, were found relating to birth certificates etc  so with that thought in mind it open's up the thinking that what the police have so far found could just be the tip of the iceberg, this being so need's with the utmost urgency investigating on a World wide basis were Roma camp's etc are situated Neutral  what else is there to be uncovered hidden within these tight knit communities, what is being discovered has a knock on effect to other Traveller communities' around the World  that are completely innocent of any wrong doing, yet will be viewed with suspicion as a result cool2   one other thing with Bulgaria poised for entry into the E.U. the Gates will be opened for an influx of Roma into other E.U.Countrie's including our own, the authorities of Bulgaria I should think are rubbing their hands as I type at the prospect of this as they view the Roma population as trouble makers and compulsive thieves, we all ready have some Roma enter our community from some of the former Eastern block Countries' that have joined the E.U. and have wasted no time in making their presence felt and now are implicated with this child trafficking investigation now in progress.cool2
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:55 am

Ok,so what yer getting at about those traveling communities is that some of them not all of them are exactly as bad as that. 

Clearly the children are being used in scam operations and welfare fraud at the very least. It comes down to the children are a source of money to them more like commodities.

How the child in Greece was found given the conditions and surrounding circumstances ,being used in a pan handling scam-aka begging for monies in the streets -is solid proff to that end given welfare scamming and of course suspected ciild abduction which may very well branch off into child trafficiting on through to black market operations is all on the table. 

So sure there is much to be uncovered.Scammers are no different than any other terrorist's ,they make their way through it by blending in with the community making themselves out to seem as good as any or even exceptional though not outstanding. 

Which means they only show you what they want you to see.
They are predators.

BBC news reports the the child was returned to the Dublin family after dna results confirmed the child is their own. 
The matter is being further looked into by authorities. 
however the birth documents are a different matter.

So mistakes are going to made along the way although sometimes a mistake isn't necessarially a mistake. 
It seems to stand to logic that authorities must move forword in it agressively given little to nothing was done down investigative lines in Portugal due to the virus spread of political paranoia.I say so because it has become ever so clear that many or most of the leads in Portugal were turned down thumbs down because of the investigative course they were undertaking at that time. 

We can also safely assume that the investigating authorities in the reopening of the McCann case have far more information than will makes it's way to media outlets. 

Thus far regards to the child in Greece ,inso far as a connection between the McCann case and the child in Greece it has been said or indicated that the situation in Greece opens a portal to hope. 

But we can also safely assume that Scotland Yard is on to child abduction operations internationally and the investigative field is immense and requires a direct line of cooperation between countries in the EU and police agencies. The heat has been turned up because it must be and human error is as always what it is. My guess is there is little and no time for procrastination.

If the birth documents the roma family showed the authorities of Dublin are not in order or invalid ,than they have no case as the removal of the child was justified given the circumstances. 

Or what does the said hospital where the child was reportedly born having no record of her birth really mean ? 

What is the cause of the suspicion ? Or is it documentation in that there are laws ? how long has the roma family in Dublin lived in Dublin or Ireland ?

And what is it with those questionable birth documents ? 

Time will tell as the investigations proceeds and facts and truths are shown. 

More children ,more money ? Is there just a thin line seperating legitimate documents and illegally aquired documents- just a whoop to get through ? 

Loop holes are always a big part of scammer operations. If a birth document isn'y valid or certifiable than more often than not it's a scam of some type or other. And if the scammers are making all effort not to attract attention to themselves ,than should invalid documentation be required for show,they will assume it is just a formality a loop hole to hop over. Meaning the holder or holders of the illegal documentation will hold out for hope that nobody will look too far into it. They sort of skip through the shuffel in the process.

I wasn't there when the cops removed the child in Dublin,but whatever they saw must have fell to considerable suspicion.
The dna cleared the roma family from allegations about child abduction-but invalid documentation is also a crime tied to other crimes -it is both ileagal to have forged documents in one's possession and it is also illegal to seek such papers.
And those who create such forged documents have ties to every aspect in the criminal element.

Now than the buying and selling of children for a few thousand euro's. well than to most anyone who makes there way through alternate means or anything other than legitmate means such as a job,a few thousand euro's is a pretty penny pay day. 

And the buyer- well welfare fraud clearly isn't enough in the recovery end. Whatever is the welfare rate in payment for a said child across the y='s the time it takes to recover the expense . X='s the over all expense of the entire scam operation and x and y carry over into the child reaching the age where the child must earn her keep and take her place in the over al scammer operation. So the child was being carefully groomed . But the question is for how long because as the child gets older ,a different kind of sales value comes into the criminal play book. 

Members of the roma communities have spoken out about the case in Greece in that they believe it is an exception -meaning the jailed pair are where they belong -in jail.


So. it will take time for authorities to put it all together.

It seems mistakes were made but sometimes a mistake isn't necessarily a mistake.
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:47 am

The authorities of Portugal have reopened the investigation into the McCann kidnapping case .The Authorities of Portugal met with Scotland Yard's task force and the McCanns Wednasday for a briefing on new leads discoverd . 

Of course the authorities of Portugal received raving reviews for their decision to join in. 


Portugal's attorney general is on board. The raving reviews are part of the political process and a mask over the wrong doings of Portugal that came as a result of political paranoia. 

The world is watching and will continue to do so. Scotland Yards decision to take it to the people was the best decision there was to make. And that choice most likely influenced the authorities of Portugal to join in. 

The authorities of Portugal have it seems according to reports uncovered investigative leads -new information and in some areas reviewed shelved informational leads that were never fallowed up on due to the course the investigation took as a result of politically influnced decision making which came on as a result of wide spread political paranoia spread through the entire political process in Portugal which inturn was a crippling effect as those afflicted by the virus because all the negitive attention brought down on Portugal was a very bad reflection on Portugal in the world's view. And that created a panic stricken chain of events all of which escalated because of mass media greed mongerous methods of peddling false impressions  through the news  created by the authorities of Portugal and sent back into the media onset by way of political spin.


Because, the wide spread interest and global attention of the greater mass's-the people the news or media outlets peddle the garbage journalism to ,was viewed as a problem that would or could create serious problems for Portugal and it's politics and business interests for years. 

But the nature of the political game has changed . The people want to know and need to know everywhere. And if the authorities of Portugal are not with the people, than what are they with ? Which happens to be a question the authorities of Portugal addressed in the form of a question that required a demand answer -which means they answered themselves by reopening the case.Because that is the very question the people of Portugal would eventually ask . tis the season of fall and leaves do drop and the internet fly's as does information.

Politically the authorities of Portugal will share in good public relations which they hope will improve their image. It;s good politics but it is also a face saving measure.

And Scotland Yards decision to take to it to the people is police work at it's finest.






It is better all around the authorities of Portugal join in rather than obstain in the over all interest of getting to the bottom of it.

The biological parents of the Maria oven in Greece it seems may have been located in Bulgaria.  The suspected biological mother claims she never excepted any money for the child and that she simply gave Maria to those people. The authorities of Greece continue on in the investigation .


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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:14 am

Rolling Eyes  That young Girl had a lovely mother don't you think emb2  and that Roma chap by gum what a Fizog  he's got with a Mush like his he don't need a Halloween mask dose he,not some one you would relish meeting up a dark ally I would think,i bet even Dracula  would change into a bat and zoom of as fast as his bat wings could take him don't think even he would give that one a love bite come Valentine's day cool2
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:21 am

Yes beaver I was thinking along those lines meself. 

The picture up of the three of them the child in front- the way she was holding her mouth kind of reminded me of how a commerical fisherman sometimes do .always it's about the catch',that of tapping into just where it is the fish are.Bait & trap.Than you look up at the dude with the just do it sweat shirt on and his face tells a story. 
The child was being groomed into their criminal practices -brain washed by those predators.They started her out in their street begging scams but there is no way of tell'en what all else they have used the child for in their over all scam activities.


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