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PostSubject: Madeleine McCann case    Sun May 19, 2013 6:11 am

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The Daily Mail had a article and it looks as though UK authorities have turned up plenty of leads . But the authorities of Portugal refuse to reopen the case because of the wide spread corruption running rampent throughout their country.

There are plenty of names on the suspect listing and I have no doubt the ousted chief of detectives who was in charge of the case is one of those who fell to suspicion.

On the political end of it the McCann's raised red flags in political arena over there in Portugal and fear spread through all political channels as a result on unwanted world wide attention and the fear of. . The tourism industry accounts for very much money in revenue in a country that is hard pressed and corrupt as all hell.

According to the article in the Daily Mail the McCann's are very pleased with the ongoing investigation being conducted by the authorities of the UK.

The potential loss in tourism in Portugal in certain localities was the motivating factor in what is noted to be one of the worst investigations conducted in a child kidnapping case .The investigation on the part of the authorities of Portugal was all about dirty tricks and wide spread political and criminal corruption .

The authorities of Portugal fear world wide attention being brought back into their domain.

Even the Attorney General of Portugal confessed to the wide spread corruption in Portugal when he said-he doesn't think there is a phone in Portugal that isn't phone tapped by the criminal element in Portugal which has strong ties to government.

I think the former ousted chief of detectives in charge of the case is a sex offender himself.Noting that sex offenders found a place to be free in Portugal.And that is a point to fact.A fact that received some coverage but not nearly enough. That very vacation spot is or was also a safe haven for sex offenders . And that is not something that would be available for review in the  the travel agencies advertising literature.And I wouldn't be surprised at all if a travel agent is involved in some way with the kidnapping.

The super rich can buy whatever they want and a natural biological child with what will be seen as perfect genes would be a tall order.

The chain of pay offs would stretch far wide.But when money is no object ,distance is no object either.

The chain of corruption would be stretching far and wide in such a case secnario

It is believed by the authorities of the UK that Madeleine McCann may be alive and well.


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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:33 am

Just watched the news on ch4, CrimeWatch received nearly a 1000 calls and emails and  
one name has cropped up with some of the callers, the Police now think that Madeleine abducted later than 9.15pm and more like around 10pm, they have now ruled out the man seen at 9.15pm carrying a child but someone saw a man carrying a blondhaired child wearing pyjamas elsewhere and at a later time.

Somebody's got their times very mixed up.
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Wed Oct 16, 2013 5:26 am

I think the young girl will turn up, I think if the Portuguese are questioned and probed they will crack, as they wont and don’t need more bad publicity of a badly investigated case. One feels some of their top people have dirty hands One feels the police are closer to the truth than they have let on, there not going to give the game away yet. If the investigation hurts Portugal, that’s tough, those who did the investigation should of thought about that at the time. Lets hope the young girl is okay. 
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:10 am

I hope she does turn up and hopefully if this does lead to a paedophile ring the Police may find some answers to other children that have disappeared over the years, there are so many parents who have lost their children and they need to know and have closure.
I've always thought that there's an international paedophile ring in operation as children have just vanished without trace such as the little girl in the 70s who was out on her bike delivering newspapers one morning and vanished, only her bike was found but she was never found, I think her name was JeanetteTate, a pretty curly haired girl aged between 11 and 13yrs old.

Completely disappeared and no clues as to what happened to her.
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:20 am

LG its horrible to think about, people like that should be strung up and quatered. All this new info and all the new leads, how come nothing like this came to light in the first investigation, it leaves one feeling that something is very wrong somewhere
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:39 am

The Portuguese Police messed up from the beginning, they walked over areas that may
have had clues and touched things that may have had forensic evidence, information they received wasn't logged either, but for our British Police to re-open the investigation they must have had some pretty hard information to go on.

I think the day is coming that the McCanns will either be reunited with their daughter or at worse, be able to lay her to rest.
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Wed Oct 16, 2013 6:49 am

I think that mixed up sum's up the mannor in which the investigation was conducted. Everything at the crime scene was mixed up ,tampered with,compromised ,contaminated,mis placed ,lost and so on. And further on into it manufactured by the authorities of Portugal.

The McCann's became perfectly aware that the authorities of Portugal were not ever going get to the bottom of the kidnapping because and furthermore from the start tried to make the whole thing go away.

In other words the McCann's came to the realization shocking as it were that no-one of authority in Portugal was at all interested in solving or even conducting a proper investigation.

Can you imagine coming into such a realization ? The McCann's knew early on that if they don't find a way to seek help outside the auhorities of Portugal, there would be little to no chance they would ever see their daughter again or know what happened.

What they came into the know about regards to the probable outcome of a investigation conducted by the authorities of Portugal was enough to make most anybody lose faith in humanity.

But,even after having experienced total divastation -fear-shock-pain, gilt -anger-and than further devastated by coming into the know about the reality of the probables to a investigation conducted by the authorities of Portugal-,somehow they were able to rise above that and take the problem to the people of the greater global public.

Certainly the McCann's knew that going totally public through the media would turn their lives up side down for a good long time to come ,but their daughter was more importnt to them than any and all negitaves that would come their way as a result of what was considered defiance by the authorities of Portugal.

The reasons the McCann's made their plea to the public-the greater global public is because they knew nothing would be done unless something was done to force the hand of the authorities of Portugal.

And that I dare say from where the McCann's stood at that point in time will have seemed to be an impossible task-taking on impossible odds.

Nothing could have prepared the McCann's for what was to come of it-and the things they would come into the know about just how ugly those in power through the long line in it can get.

The thing about that very long long line of corruption in power is that for 0ne they will stop at nothing to reach the disered end and for two it is sociopathic and it reachs a point where they cannot stop and will not stop untill they are stopped.

They were not stopped but the impact was a deliverence of a powerfull blow to the power structure flet by all of those in power and beowing to power structure. Power is more addictive than any drug on the face of this planet and the only thing that matters to them is power itself nothing more.No matter how ugly it gets or how sinister or inhumain exercising that power is a gratifing experience for all those connected to the power structure.

And the former chief of detectives was drunk as a skunk with the intoxicant power.His job was to turn it around and make the McCann's out to be the guilty party by any and all dispicable means . And his orders came down from on high.He was free to do whatever it took short of beating confessions out of the McCann's.

But don't think for one secound that psychopath didn't want to very badly.

If you really want to know more, find out something about how the McCann's came into the know about how slim those chances were of anything at all fruitfull coming out of a investigation about the loss of their daughter.

The McCann's did what they did for their daughter at all cost.

All cost.

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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:00 am

The only thing is niagara, if the Police do confirm that Madeleine McCann was abducted at a later time than 9.15pm then the McCanns and the woman who was dining with them have some explaining to do about the times of checking their children until it was discovered that Madeleine was missing.
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:18 am

lets hope they get reunited,
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Wed Oct 16, 2013 7:44 am

I think there is much more in details small as some of those details are that will require proper placement and that can be a timely task.

I think the UK investigators are doing dilligent digging and they realize the case and the case transcripts in fact the whole of it was tailored . That meaning altered every step of the way in the interest of the desirable outcome which of course had to be favorable to the authorities of Portugal.

For example it is common for intellegence reports as those reports are moved up the power line to be altered-wording changed ever so slightly but it happens at the varying stops along the way untill it reachs the point where the original text no longer exists because the text was tailored in so many different ways it make no real sense in context or any part. Plausable denyabitity comes into the practice -corporate interests and such ,all part of the power structure.

What is happening is the investigators have broken down the case into time frames and they have information as it is of the original investigation -they have facts as were interputed by the authorities of Portugal ,witness statements which may or may not have been tailored ,and any new information obtained.

What they have is a broken down picture that looks like thousands of pieces of a puzzel. But they also have the tailored picture provided by the authorities of Portugal.

OK so what they are doing is reconstructing the picture putting all the pieces in proper perspective.In the reconstruction there is one thing that they are in search of that is missing in the Portugal authorities invrstigation and that one thing is truth.

Given the whole of the investigative findings were tailored to suit the perferred view of the authorities of Portugal  and the desired outcome as so ordered,wherever truth may have been at any point in their investigation ,it was tailored or altered in so many different ways that the truth about those findings had long since dissappeared if it ever existed at all.

Now, you are not going to hear or read about that ,but the truth is fact finders and truth seeks know this. And many of them donated monies to the McCann cause -people that knew and know full well what the McCann's were taking on.And more over what they were and are up against.

They say this is looking at the case with fresh eyes. What is really happening is they are going to have a real look at it but to do that they must first put all the pieces to picture each it it's proper place and many of those pieces must be located.

And those pieces are there and waiting to be collected up. And that is what is happening.
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:05 am

Time line, (?)

What do we know about vacant units at the resourt , questionable occuapnts in occupied units -exterior closets -garbage shoots linnin closets and places to hole up in wait for the oppertunistic most time to flee ? In that line of thought the child will have been drugged or gagged to maintain silence.

This of course relted to the theory of the child having been passed off to another perpetraitor.

We assume the perp. simply abducted the child than simply vanished in the haze.-jumped the wall and ran -awaiting car or van what have you.

But,- in that we know point A. is the childs room,do we really know where point B. is? Than C and than D. and so on and on. If than the kidnapping was planned out in advance ,in piecing togather details the plan must have had a blue print detaling each and every move in sequence.

Ok so a highly organized hist. :gng: 

Now than that ousted chief of detectives with all of his credibility and experience,you really must realize how badly the crime made him out to look like- organized criminals operating right under his nose in a fashionable vacation resort wut attracts vacationiers from all over Europe ? Think about that .

But instead of tracking down of looking for an organized crime ring, what do they do ?

What do is say some pedo kidnapped the child OR the parents are never cleared as suspects.

When the media reversed on the McCann's back than, who are the who's that were feeding the fire ? Those who's are the authorities of Portugal.

You really have to look at tailored made options-some pedo done it or the MaCann's are never cleared as an equation.In those two options one must realize in the equation that at some point those two possibles were limitations factored into the investigation process by a standing order -is just has to be so because every other possibility was down played by the authorities of Portugal and the media which capitalized to the max on the tragedy.

But the media was being fed information which was made out to look like leaks.And in that aspect in it is just where high politics was at the wheel. Orchstrated media spin tailored to bennifit both the authorities of Portugal and the media -what you call a win win for the authorities of Portugal and a profit win for the media.

But oh said the London Times we are so very very sorry and that will never happen again.
Yea well right they are and caught they were.

For the authorities of Portugal it was all about saving face and to those authorities and the media ,the McCann's became sacrificial lambs. Again the tourist industery is big business and revenue big time and sustaining the public interest in a in a mass media story is also big business and big profits-news is money it's that way.

Murdoc didn't reach the power level he got to be being a real victor of the people now did he ?

Murdoc was adored by people that worship power.

The seek the benifits of it in the trickle down effect ,they see it as rewards for being loyal. It is a sociopathic chain link.
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:42 am

Unfortunately the McCanns already made themselves scapegoats by leaving their children on their own and they could have used the babysitting service but chose not to, no child should be left on their own.

Another question, how did the abductor get into the apartment? Was the apartment door left unlocked or was the window left unlocked or forced open?

Either way the McCanns left their children at risk in a foreign country, yes I feel for them but more for the mother and it leaves them with feelings of guilt that will stay with them for always.

Utmost admiration as well for them always fighting to find her and starting a fund that will not only go to searching for their own child but to also fund searches for other missing children.

Many ppl thought that by the media focusing on the McCanns and their search for Madeleine was wrong, I don't think so, the McCanns made sure that Madeleine wasn't forgotten, which is what happens over the passing years with children who disappear, Madeleine McCann's name is known practically all over the world now.

The only thing that is worrying is the information that is now being
being released through the media could put Madeleine McCann in danger of being disposed of if she is still alive.
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:24 am

I see where you are going with that but if they chose not to use a sitter service there may have been very good reason for it.

Attention was raised in the direction of an elevation in the crime rate .

I don't think the booking agents were the least bit interested in keeping tabs on the crime rate or elevations in crime at a vacation resort that offers the kind of setting such as the one in question.

It was billed-advertised as a perfectly safe haven for children.That billing is part of the vacation package.For reasons that fall to uncertainty. The crime rate in th area elevated on the chief of detectives watch not befor. That says a lot about that man.If he wasn't against the bad guys than he is with them.

Grant it the crime elevation wouldn't have been easialy obtainable for booking agents in the tourist industry but one woud think those people have lines into what is going on with that inso far as safety concerns for their clientel.One must consider their childrens safety was priority . The whole of it is filled with lies and deceit and it isn't coming from the McCann's.

The elevation of the wine consumed from 4 or so to six or more than 12 or more carafe's was insidiously escalated by that power lush under the guise of chief of detectives -that whole thing was escalated to sway a given sector of the publics view to believing the MaCann's were hooping it up in drunken table party oblivious to their children that were in his power drunken theory just nusences to their drunken table orgy party. Remember that phychopath maintained that the McCanns murdered their daughter than chopped her up and put her in a very small chill box in the bugalo than later the next day loaded her body parts into the trunk0boot of a rental car than proceeded to distribute thse body parts sporadicly as they freely drove down a counrty road.

It would take a narcisstic sociopathic woman hater to create that story and hold to it. You must realize he created that story in his head where it wll went down.And than further manufactured his own evidence to support that. In the end all the bull about what they thought they had in the boot of that rental car was proven to be bogus but, the authorities of Portugal were let down easy on that one. Politics and deplomaicy -on that one-the diplomatic process so as not to strain relationships.
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Wed Oct 16, 2013 10:39 am

Regarding readressing the public with the case and the pros and cons.

Well, say it is possible to keep it all out of the publics view -conduct a quite secret closed mouth kind of a investigation if you will.

Would make sense to yer concerns about the child .

It would also be pleasing to th authorities of Portugal even if they do locate the missing child the Authorities of Portugal would than be of a position to use political diplomatic influence to have the true facts about it tailored to a moreso suitable story that reflects kindly twords Portugal moreover the authorities of Portugal. They would even insist that they be given partial credit for assisting in the reinvestigation.Remember now wheeling and dealing is what politics is all about. Telling the truth about those dealings are to the people isn't part of deal at all.


Better it is for Scotland Yard to stay with the people ,chances are greater the case will get solved that way.

There are risks ,there always is.

But better to run the risks than it is to give it back to politics and politicans blindly.

I think they are proceeding in the best possible way about it.
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Wed Oct 16, 2013 11:18 am

To yer question how did the perpatraitor get in to the bungalo ?

Well I think that is much less of a question that how the perp left the bungalo.

For most thieves getting in is never a problem it's making the escape with the goods.

Could have been through the window as it was ajar, but those scumbags that make a full time occuaption out of break in and enrty as rule have a little burglary tools contained in something of a pocket wallet. Picking locks and electronic disabling deviices and such. The more sufisticated locking devices are to keep intruders out become the more sufisticated the little tool kits the robbers carry become.

Many robbries are crimes of oppertunity -a door left open or unlocked-a window left open or unlocked or a garage door open or car doors unlocked. Drugs and whatever is the motivting factor.

But there is and always has been a such a thing as a low down dirty mind messing scumbag thief who is and never was anything other than that. Thivery is not just the ocasional thrill to such scumbags but thievry defines their lowely exitence.A job for such a scumbag is nothing more than a mask to cover the truth about the being who's real full time occupation of being a thief.
It doesn't matter to the thief how much money they can make working a real honest jobbecause the thief will figure the thief can rob twice that amount a pay check will bring and more than that in just a few hours.Maybe a few more to the planning phases.

They don''t want to work and they can't fit in with real people anyway so they would much rather rob people that do work.

That's how they are wired. Valtures vampires crooks thieves and pedophiles .
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:58 am

One very cool tool we use these days in the building industry is called a lazer level. The tool enables the user to shoot a straight line over a distence. You may hace seen how such a tool works on cop shows where it's about trejectory -where it is at a crime scean a shooting has occured they may be figuring out where the bullet went or where the shooter was positioned.

In funnen with such a tool the geometric configurations one can produce and with a quickness is amazing. Did a little experiment one time with a helper using the lazer level to locate a screw I dropped standing on a ladder during a install -the screw drops ,than bouncses several times and than dissapears out of sight sometimes or many times never to be found .

Since it was just about coffee time anyway's I told helper to grab the coffee thermos's and get me lazer level so's we can conduct a screw investigation -yea he says ,I like them cop shows too !

Didn't know fer sure if it would work -try'en to locate the screw mathematically with the use of a lazer tool to the tune of mathematical precision.I pointed that lazer beam at the spot I saw the screw hit the floor than tried several different positions than found about what appeared to be three possible directions the screw may have bounced off in. Next came how many times the screw bounced -there hearing-I said 2 helper said no three. Oh boy even with the lazer level this is a searching task. This was a hard wood floor with a Swedish finish so there was no tellen how far the screw could have traveled.But the lazer lines showed probable directions thereby narrowing down target search patterns. Those red lines suddenly became very interesing. But it's just a coffee break so there is a time limit. One line lead to another and don't you know a line ended up right about center of a 1 square inch hole in a floor heater cover and down there in the heating duct was that screw that never will have been found. Such fun.

It was a good feeling though because I can't think to count how many times I've climed down off a ladder doing lighting installs chassing screws more often than not it turns into try'en to track down a replacement screw- one search being as timely as the other.Than there's getting back up on that ladder and don't you know the screw drops again.That's when you really need a helper !

Yea I got that screw-got ya !

Since the investigation now seems to point to a planned out in advance crime clearly one must consider there were two or more perpetraitors involved in the abduction ,that means two or more operating in sequence. That would further mean the perps. were in constant communication in comission of the crime. So at the dinner table there must have been a constant watch either from a distence using perhaps binoculars or someone posing as a customer at the bar or a worker-bus boy ,server what have you.

Tragectory.

The thing about leaving no stone unturned is you must first find the seemingly invisable stones.
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:31 pm

2,400 calls came in so far according to an update bbc .


The crime report was aired in Germany and Holland  which yelded hundreds of more incoming calls. The programme is due to be aired in Ireland next.

Looks as though it will not be aired in Portugal.

This could amount to a heavy hit on the tourist trade in Portugal and as I said all along that was and remains a major concern for the authorities of Portugal and more over the big business constituency.

The investigation is leaning tword planned in advance or a well planned kidnap. That of course may very well point to an organized crime ring.

Reference is made to the escalation of crime in the area and again the escalation of crime ,robberies and so fourth was happening right under the chief of detectives nose.

Down negitive publicity lines  where it is all about revenue coming into an area that relys heavily on revenue generated by the constant influx of tourist in the oturist trade ,bad publicity will generate severe fear through-out the local populas in and on all levels in it.

And that is why the case was intenionally botched from the very beginning. And that is why I think the case was closed or shelved as they put it.

There is a saying that is taken quite seriously in Los Vagas Navada ,it goes this way-what happens in Los Vagas stays in Los Vagas.

Now than , the authorities of Portugal did everything within their power to keep the case confined to Portugal which was their way of tamping down publicity or an attemt at quashing out bad publicity.To the point where they used political spin through the media. There were no leaks about it to the media ,it was all pre planned media spin ,political corruption knows no bounds.

It's a timely process but some how I think they will locate those seemingly invisable stones and turn those stones over and those stones in particular will no doubt reflect very badly on the authorities of Portugal .

More importantly become the vital links to connecting up all the pieces of the puzzel that show the true picture.
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:33 pm

Rolling Eyes You are probley  quite right in your assumption  as to the impact on Tourism to Portugal in as much what use to be viewed as a safe place for a family Holliday not only for people of these Isles but Europe as a whole, and its been for a long time been known as was Spain as a safe hole for those fleeing arrest from the law of not only Britain but the rest of the E.U. well now it seem's  as people trafficking  has now become more prevalent that the child Paedophile's and those that abduct children for sale to childless couples have taken root there as well, I just hope that this little Girl was taken for sale to a childless couple rather than a Paedophile ring at least then there is some hope that Madeline has not been harmed and has enjoyed still a childhood within a family environment and there is still a chance to find Her alive and well, I hate to think of what has happened to her if she was taken by those other perverts of society that prey on the young and vulnerable in my mind these scum of society a jail term is wasted on them, those that advocate that they need help to over come their perverted tendencies in my view and im not on my own in this its them that need help to get real in their thinking, those scum are all no hopers and will continue with their way of life come what may, the only way these people will stop is if the rest of us stop them, it would only cost about 30pence and some one willing to do some part time work for the law, and they could be disposed of at sea for the sharks that way they would not pollute the ground we all walk on.Neutral
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Sat Oct 19, 2013 3:19 am

It's too sad to even think about.  No 

And i fear the worst for Maddie. I still say it could/should have been avoided. And the only innocent party here is Maddie herself. It's not about if we can leave children of such a young age for even a minute. We know from experience that's all it takes for someone to be abducted. So what hell were they thinking???.
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:39 am

I imagine Midnight Tiger the McCann's have gone over in their minds over and over again all they were thinking and all they thought to believe about that vaction package they bought into. I imagine they come to know in the worst possible ways that place-that vacation spot is not at all what it was billed to be and further they came into the know about the dark side and carefully guarded dark secrets such a place keeps under cover.

I have no doubt the McCann's are haunted by thier own reminiscence about what they could or should have done to make certain such a thing could never happen. They believed what they read about the vacaton package as it were billed. They believed the good reviews that place was given. They simply believed that facade of that place in that it appeared to be exactly what it is or was billed to be. and all the staff workers at the resort area seemed very very friendly and most most willing to help in any way to make their stay a most plesent one.

And all the towns people too were quite friendly and it all just looked so serene -and the last thing they could or would have suspected is that the whole of it is and was just a facade. But for one to truely know that one must have ways of looking for the true picture -the truth behind the facade-the dark side to it.

And isn't that the job of the journalists and shouldn't that be the job of the vacation booking agents that sold that bill of goods to the McCann vacation party ? So are the McCann's guilty of trusting without validating ?

We all make mistakes and although we are always in persuit of perfection we must never lose sight of that fact that perfect as we see it isn't really perfect at all in all that it means. And so was their thinking flawed somewhat ? I have no doubt the arrangement they had to keep a watch on the children seemed perfectly ok at that time to them given what they were all lead to believe. They all is everybody and anybody that ever set foot in that place known as a vacation resort.

Too trusting perhaps but to seek validation one must be a bit of detective and that would have to be either a full time profession or one's idea of a vacation. But who in their right mind would buy into a vacation package with the idea in mind to turn over stones in order to uncover the truth about a suspected facade ? Or why would a tourist end up in the hotel laundry areas where only employees are aloud unless that tourist is on to something and that something is dirty laundry ? That would be being on the right track but the dirty laundry is actually in a far more inconspicuous places. Laundry room ,hells bells I was on me way to the pool.
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Sat Oct 19, 2013 9:09 am

Yea Bev. that is actually the key point . Business profit of revenue coming into a country through whatever means is looked at and broken down to percentages.The Uk for example is broken down to individual countries -England ,Ireland ,Scotland and all eurpoean countries in the singular down into percentages .Revenue is money and money is tracked and recorded .They also break down those percentage stats. from country to country to localities that shoe in the most .

But politics and business is about all business and attracting business's to establish which of course feeds the economy.And the rich get richer of course and new wealth is created.

If you have ever heard the saying as it is-,it only takes one monkey to spoil the show-.end quote-,

To the authorities of Portugal about like the biggest pandoras box you can imagine ,monkeys were literally pouring out the barrel threatening to upset the entirety of the business & trade balance in Portugal at a period in time when crisiss after crisses were hitting Portugal like run away crators crashing down upon it- .And crime was running rampent and out of control.

The world view of Portugal is the only thing that mattered because profit is all that mattered and the ways and means to it.

You see for corporate interest's to invest-there are always saftey concerns such as the safty of the product and the safety of the corporate family. And corporations send their people over to locations in countries of corporate interest;s or invstment interests. And sometimes for extended business stay's. And many times the corporations send the families of the corporate reps. And what they rely on is the said safty precautions the country of interest says it will provide.

Here we have elevated above the tourist industry into all high level business.

And politics and business is the same thing.
And it gets uncivil .

In Portugal it was all about saving their projected image,not finding the child or the childs abductor/ abductors.

And that is what so very hard for some or many to get a mind wrap around.

And that is just what the authorities of Portugal don't want the people of Portugal to come into the know about because when corruption knows no bounds the way it knows not in Portugal ,than that means there is really no civil society and if the law isn't working or serving the people that what is left other than civil unrest ?

And that is the core fear of every crooked politican on earth.

Civil unrest.

But-it's not about investigating corruption and corrupt politicans,it is all about solving the case. Where it all ends up is wherever it will and all those who took part in the cover up's ,whatever happens in the outcome,they brought it down upon themselves. 

What they have no control over on the business ends of it in Portugal is what is said and discussed in those conference rooms where high level business decisions are made. Who in there right mind would expose their famiy to that in the interest of corporate business interests or potential investments for the company?

When crime is out of control ,that is the same as dropping one's family in the middle of a war zone.

The escalation of the crime rate in the area surrounding the vacation resort in and including the resort itself may seem somewhat trivial but it's not. and that information wasn't available during the orginal investigation because it was all part of the cover-up.

It is one of the many seemingly invisable stones. And one leads to another and plenty more. It actually opens up uncharted avenues frequently traveled buy those who want their comings and goings unknown .And those who use such avenues are more often than not corrupt .Those avenues are all about getting in and out without leaving anything behind for others to pick up on a trail.
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Sat Oct 19, 2013 11:50 am

Way too long, my attention doesn't span that far sorry Rolling Eyes 

No doubt they do feel guilty. They should!!!!! bounce
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:58 pm

I agree about the countrys corruption, and it also has to pay the price. you can only hope the sadness of what happened there has made parents who do leave their children alone, while they go out and enjoy dinner and drinks with their friends, sit up and take notice of the world we live in today. Most wouldn't take those chances at home, so why would they feel it safe to do so in a country you know little about.
Why exclude your little one's from dinner with you anyway, isn't that why you go on holiday to start with, to enjoy doing all those things together.
The reality is if they had put the same amount of hard work into looking after their babies and protecting them, as they are now doing looking for them, I dare say we wouldn't be discussing this.
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:44 pm

Rolling Eyes when ever iv been away over that way most of the places iv stayed in provided baby sitting if required you just got to book when needed,not that I or my Wife ever did use the service Neutral
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:49 pm

I agree totally to be honest. A family holiday is exactly that surely???
Or else why not leave your kids with trusted family members and just go alone if that's what you want. I dont understand it at all. But i agree about the botched investigation and that you should never stop looking. People have been found after a decade and more and never even knew of their previous family or existence.
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PostSubject: Re: Madeleine McCann case    Sun Oct 20, 2013 8:43 am

Such as opinions are where we tend to think it could or should have been prevented ,back tracking to what could or should have been to prevent what did happen cannot change the fact that what happened ,did indeed happen. A dirty cop wrote a book and his target segment of common view is that one. That sick twisted former vhief of detectives who's name is not worthy of mention expects to rake in considerable roylities by swinging common views to what he wants you to believe. And ,I have no doubt his master plan all along was to capitalize off of the tragedy and his crime theory was cooked up in the interest of profit.

However at this time more important things are happening.
In Portugal today Saturday the Portuguise people are in the mists of civil unrest and through organized protests they are demending the resignation of the authorities of Portugal over the 2014 budget cuts which will cut wadge and pension bennifits for the working non criminal class.

The article is REUTERS 4 hours ago can be found on google news net or yahoo news or REUTERS.


It is possible through the peoples revolt that more of those seemingly invisible stones may somehow mysteriously appear as a result of very angry hard working peoples disgust with their authorities.

This could result in a silver lining in the interest of solving the case and catching the criminals. There is hope in that hard working people may be moreso inclined to remember small details related to the case that never made it to the right places due to the cover up orchastrated by the authorities of Portugal ,that same authorities the people of Portugal are demending their resignation .They wish to ax them one and all.
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