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PostSubject: north korea   Sat Apr 06, 2013 7:54 am

okies they chat about it at work but do u think that there might be a war wiv that north korea? i kno its far away but its kinda worryin
i live in a city where we have the navy n theres talk of some of our ships n subs bein made ready to head out there if they need to
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PostSubject: Re: north korea   Sat Apr 06, 2013 8:00 am

North Korea warns embassies over safety following missile threat
Pyongyang authorities have advised foreign officials to leave the capital following the positioning of missiles on the east coast....they are getting ready to kick off No

There are no plans to withdraw UK diplomats from North Korea either.

This is not good, not good at all No
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PostSubject: Re: north korea   Sat Apr 06, 2013 8:11 am

i kno we have a sub down in the falklands cos of wot was goin on there n theres a bit more goin on in the navy docks u can tell these past few days Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: north korea   Sat Apr 06, 2013 8:15 am

Where we used to live we would see the fighter jets flying over, don't know if we'll see that where we are now, but it chills you to the bone when you see them.
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PostSubject: Re: north korea   Sat Apr 06, 2013 8:21 am

as long as it all stays far away round the other side of the world Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: north korea   Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:21 am

its not a good sign, lets hope its not going to happen,
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PostSubject: Re: north korea   Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:50 am

surely no one wud realeh want to have a war there cos no one is supportin them Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: north korea   Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:53 am

Tox i dont know, i think if they really want a war, then there will be. America seems to be talking, Russia seems to be quiet, the question is who can afford to have a war?
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PostSubject: Re: north korea   Sun Apr 07, 2013 3:02 am

wot about china? cos they are right next to them if they used them nuclear missiles surely that wud hurt the chinese people? a guy at work was talkin that they wud be committin suicide if they went to war
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PostSubject: Re: north korea   Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:26 am

cof: One of the greater worries is a accidental nuclear situation resulting in a war provolking inncident. Say fo instance with the shifting of armorment going on in NK all of which is being done in a hot hurry to keep pace with the political sabor ratteling thus making it seem moreso imminent that a confrontation is in the works-aka the winds of war.

In the mass confusion with the shifting of wepons goings and the threats along with the state of high tension in the NK -their people being hyped up for war and their military on high alert-it is the stress factor that is cause for concern-and far more than war with NK.

You will find that China worries more about the accidental or inncidental launch of a nuclear wepon coming out of NK that could or would lead to an all out nuclear confrontation with NK.And as you know the end result of that could, would or will be devestating.

So it's the possibility of an accidental occurence that could lead to a tragic outcome that leaves the world on edge.

There is no half way about it where it comes down to a nuclear confrontation and NK is fully aware of that fact.

And there is no such thing as full control over accidents or inncidents ,and that is the problem. And as you know Murphy was no fool-what ever can happen will happen.

Sometimes that old rachet wrench gets stuck.And should that happen that spells trouble with a capital T. :ccf:

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PostSubject: Re: north korea   Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:05 pm

So ,for China it is not about the fear of a nuclear launch by accident aimed at China- it is about a nuclear accident or incident period. It matters not where the bomb goes off if it happens. Some firmly believe China has the NK's back ,but that couldn't be further away from the truth where it comes down to carelessness about nuclear anything be it bombs or reactors or enrichment of nuclear fule. China has zero tolerance for nuclear accidents or incidents or sloppy leaders such as the current 30 year old guy now in power in the NK. N.K. in general is nothing more than a huge embarrassment to China to begin with.

That to a given we look at what has gone down as of yesterday
the talks-negotiations over Irans nuclear interests -those talks turned out to be a dismal failure. Now the global community is looking at both Iran and N.K.

The thing now politically is simmer the tone down or rachet it down is the word used -

Cuba chimed in the other day advising N.K. back off with the nuclear threats.

And Iran's deal certainly hasn't changed much -however with the tensions going on with N.K. at current it is clear Iran is up for flexing it's military mussle as well as it's abstinence regards to the international community.

All in all it comes down to the threat of a possible nuclear accident or incident that could lead to unfathomable consequences.
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PostSubject: Re: north korea   Sun Apr 07, 2013 6:18 pm

Bloody Iran would!

I don't know about anyone else but it was a sorry day when nuclear weapons were invented in my opinion.
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PostSubject: Re: north korea   Sun Apr 07, 2013 8:54 pm

Neutral No matter who has Nuke's be it N/K Iran or any other's who seem Hell bent on joining the Nuke club,one thing is certain,one day be it now or in the future,if the Human race dont alter its waring way's then they are going to be used by some Nutter who wonts power Shocked when and if it happens Neutral all i can say is the best place to be in the event of a Nuke strike in my oppion,would be directly under it Shocked its said you would just for a Millie second get this feeling of well being before the lights go out and you become a part of that Mushroom cloud and rise into the Heavens with all your Troubles left behind. :bmb3:
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PostSubject: Re: north korea   Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:01 pm

i wonder sometimes if livin closeish to a navy base is the best place to be Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: north korea   Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:07 pm

:btshp: winds All the Nice Girls love a Sailor
all the Nice Girls love the Ship's
but if they like to use the Nukes
i think they would all say Toodle pip's bouncy goth
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PostSubject: Re: north korea   Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:24 pm

How can anyone know what it feels like to die in a nuclear missile attack or the atomic bomb going off?

My late stepfather worked for the home office after retiring from the R.A.F, he was an accountant and any projects like when the Trident was moved elsewhere he worked out the cost of it all and if the Home Office had the funds to do it...anyway he told us that the U.K was preparing itself in the event of a nuclear war by storing body bags in official places and all of those in high places were given a cyanide pill to take in the event of a nuclear war and the atomic bomb going off, my stepfather did like to wind us up but he couldn't keep a straight face but when telling us this he looked very serious.
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PostSubject: Re: north korea   Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:32 pm

pfft the ships can be a pain when ur tryin to move a boat n the ferrys are goin in n out to the harbour entrance round by the docks is quite narrow n can get real busy
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PostSubject: Re: north korea   Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:34 pm

NK or Iran does not have the capabiities to create a large scale nuclear confrontation such as the show down over the Cuban missal crisis .

A confrontation with N.K. however would not like anything ever befor seen or experienced in war should they actually demonstrate what they got in a act of war. Casualities would be in the millions in days.
Thats what simulations show .The purpose of sending those stelth bomber planes over there in fly by operations was a demonstration
of what it could come down to.

iran makes threats about obliterating Israel
And NK has taken to threatening to launch a nuclear assault on the U.S.

Both countries are heavily sanctioned so the big cats are in fight mode. But it is no longer about conventional wars.

Ride it out comes to mind.
Redefine the red line just for the 30 year old ?
Create a language he himself can understand ?

On the PR subject ,the guy has the worlds attention ,that is what they want-world attention to this new ruler.

And he's a huge basketball fan-see how he sees it !
Move the ball down the court,fouls and penality's-it's all in the game.

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PostSubject: Re: north korea   Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:47 pm

basically the simulations are showing a toppeled NK thereby creating a one country thing again.

The war moungers like the term obliterate it. But if NK were to launch
nuclear armed missals even if it were a accident or incident at SK than
the war is on again but this time it is not a conventional war.

Looks like the NK's military elite got themselves a figure head to push around.

It;s a sad state of affairs.

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PostSubject: Re: north korea   Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:53 pm

cool2 Thats just it Niagra a Game Shocked a game with potencial fatal out come's should things esculate out of control,dont think China would like that,so they must be giving that Kim a bit of tounge lashing behind the sceans like,said hope fully Neutral
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PostSubject: Re: north korea   Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:45 am

yea Bev-if you look at it-say Dennis Rodman's recent trip to NK where he sat with kim jong un as his invited guest. Rodman is a retired basketball star LA Lakers who was known for his bazaar ordeals and a constant press attraction.

Kim jong un said to Rodman that Obama should give him a call. Obama too is a basketball fan and like shoot hoops himself.

Now when kim jong un said that to Rodman ,it became international news almost instantly bazarro as it all seemed which is Dennis Rodman
back in his lime light making bazaar headlines.

But here is the thing- kim jong un is like the actor who comes to believe his or her own publicity- that marks the beginning of their downword spiral.

You know, it's like here is this kim Jong- un dropping a little hint to the president of the United States through his newly aquired friend and anointed currier one Dennis Rodman old timer basketball star one very important leader to another-hay u should give me a call as we have much to discuss and we have things in common -basketball for one. Rodman's controversal life style was quite the attraction in his basketball days.

NK being isolated the way it is you can imagine kim jong un lives in a bubble -like a fat gold fish swimming around in a bowl.He can check out anytime he wants but he can never leave.

The military elite in the NK want to shake rattle and roll those sabors.Kim Jong -uns old man knew the limits and how to operate within those limits -,the kid knows nothing about it and is relient on the military elite advisory -the pawn in the process and it will be a long time coming befor he gets mature shall we say if he lasts that long.

Think about that bubble and what kim jong un was made to believe.
And that happens to be just what is so dangerous about this situation in general.The guy thinks he has devine powers.

Very dangerous indeed.

If it reachs the point where he cannot stop and will not stop untill he is stopped ,than he and they will be stopped in their tracks.

And if they simmer down the war talk and return to the tables,than the next time and there will be a next time if they do return to talks -it is hard to say what the outcome will be because of how far it is being pushed this time.
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PostSubject: Re: north korea   Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:10 pm

Some so called experts are saying -kim jong un is not crazy-I dono looking at the guy up on his horse literally a series of photo's of the guy viewing military operations one snap shot of the guy up on his horse. !

Now here is the thing- kim jong -Un ,he might not be crazy -there may be validity to what is being put acrossed in the article which leans tword wait and see what it all means . It talks about the process of getting this guy situated in the power structure. They need to show the people of NK that the guy is a strong leader.

Well ,we can all do the holky polky and turn ourselves around waiting to see what it's all about about.

But the fact of the matter is the situation itself is crazy and looking to logic and rationalization may not be the key at all.
Because in a crazy situation such as it is with military tensions being high and a rising levels of stress involved -all of that leaves the door wide open for accidents or incidents to happen.

SK military minds see a imminent launch coming out of NK perhaps by Tuesday or Wednasday. I think cnn has that article up.

But and again I think the potential for the accidential or incidental launch is the core worry for the international community.

Crazy situation over high tension equates to stress factor leading to accident or incident -refer Murphy's Law.

We have seen dismal failures coming out of Nk with their test launchs of nuclear wepons in the recent past. Their failed rockets and so fourth.

All of that taken into consideration what they cannot afford is a accidental or incidental launch -should that happen it is highly doubtful there will be a political diplomatic way for NK to get out from under the consequences that will enevitably fallow and that would be war .

Should that happen I would imagine China would guard the border to keep those from NK who will flee contained.

From that perspective it all gets ugly fast.
Or it just might simmer down real fast if kim jong un isn;t crazy as some seen to indicate.
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PostSubject: Re: north korea   Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:48 pm

Nothing in the news today, when all is said and done, all the powers know, start the nuke war and its goodnight for all. Somehow no matter how great ones power is, they wont want that ( i hope )
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PostSubject: Re: north korea   Mon Apr 08, 2013 7:56 pm

Yes Stumpy I saw a article just a few minutes ago where a government insider from S.K. is denying a statement put out sunday about the south seeing an imminent nuclear test launch based on intelligence reports. So now they are saying movement around the arms storage areas is pretty much normal for the north.



So it looks as though the idea is to not add fule to the fires of the tension rising.
So they are looking to create a diplomatic opening of a window to give Kim jong un and his military elite a way out without them losing face.

The question remaining is can this guy wheel and deal ?
In short they are placing the ball in kim jong un's court leaving him/them the opening to resolve the issues through diplomatic ,political means.

The new leader of the north cannot be put into a position where he loses face .

Thats kind of what it looks like right now-

So the question is can this guy wheel and deal -does he have it in him ?
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PostSubject: Re: north korea   Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:23 pm

It looks like kim jong un closed the industrial complex and took the statement made by China's president about greed and war moungering and passed it over to the south.

So he says Sk are the war moungers. Seems a bit of a sociopathic statement.

it seems kim jong un will reserve his decision as to reopen the industrial faciltiy at a later date or not.

He's a strange character indeed.
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